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Prog-jester 
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 Posted: May 25 2008 at 14:29 |
I love NIRVANA still, and always loved. Wait, no, I used to hate for some short time, when I was deep in power-prog-metal  . They were my first rock band ever, the one that I discovered by myself, and I was torturing my parents by Cobain's stuff all my teenage-hood I hardly know any other grunge band (a shame, isn't it?  ), but I've already got some ALICE IN CHAINS, PEARL JAM and SOUNDGARDEN stuff, along with some MELVINS and that TEMPLE OF THE DOG album.
But what I also know and like, can be described in three steps:
"Last Days" movie
Michael Pitt
PAGODA!!!
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mithrandir
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Posted: May 25 2008 at 14:16 |
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and i could be wrong, but I believe fIREHOSE (mike watt/post-Minutemen), took the idea of flannel shirts as a simple clothing accessory to a full blown symbol of underground/cultural identity,
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Posted: May 25 2008 at 14:10 |
if indeed you consider Grunge as an actual genre,.... Vitus and Soundgarden were label mates at one time, both on SST and i think SG took a bit from Vitus during that time, I also I know Wino's band The Obsessed (plus Vitus), were a huge influence on Greg Ginn, and were one of the reasons why Black Flag came around to playing "Burn Out" Rock music with a heavy Sabbath/70s vibe, plus other SST mammoths like The Minutemen, Meat Puppets, Dinosaur Jr and Husker Du all came around from their Punk beginnings to play some heavy 70s influenced RnR, then of course you have odd ball bands like The Melvins and Flipper and Green River who had their place in the foundation of "Grunge", the 80s very great time for Underground Music all around if you ask me, 
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Toaster Mantis
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Posted: May 25 2008 at 13:55 |
 mithrandir wrote:
Stoner Rock #1 influence is Sabbath and a whole slew of 70s Hardrock/HM bands, part of the whole Stoner Rock revival is also a derivative of Doom Metal, bands like The Obsessed, Saint Vitus, Trouble, Sleep and Cathedral taking more of a direct 70s influence with their riffing, |
Hmmmm. Since grunge had a lot of 1970s rock influence too, you might have a point... the similarities in sound between grunge and stoner rock could after all just be cases of parallel evolution.
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Posted: May 25 2008 at 13:51 |
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The Melvins are now considered "grunge" too? I guess they wore flannel. That's the defining element of "grunge" isn't it? |
I admit they're anything but easy to classify, but if you listen to Nirvana's Bleach it all definitely has a "Melvins-lite" vibe. This probably makes the Melvins more of proto-grunge, though, since they're a much older band and generally are much weirder.
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mithrandir
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Posted: May 25 2008 at 13:42 |
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Stoner Rock #1 influence is Sabbath and a whole slew of 70s Hardrock/HM bands, part of the whole Stoner Rock revival is also a derivative of Doom Metal, bands like The Obsessed, Saint Vitus, Trouble, Sleep and Cathedral taking more of a direct 70s influence with their riffing,
Edited by mithrandir - May 25 2008 at 13:44
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Toaster Mantis
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Posted: May 25 2008 at 13:34 |
mithrandir wrote:
Toaster Mantis wrote:
.. what's not to love about that? I also like a lot of the stoner rock bands that grunge inspired. |
Grunge didn't inspire any Stoner Rock bands, what you talkin' bout? |
Monster Magnet definitely picked up some cues from Soundgarden when touring with them in support of the Superjudge album... everything after that one is definitely much more "1990s"-sounding than their old stuff. I also remember reading an interview with Kyuss where they cited the Melvins as an influence.
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mithrandir
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Posted: May 25 2008 at 13:15 |
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yup, I pretty much agree with you BroSpence, the "Grunge" moniker was was a monster that media and fashion whores got carried away with....most of those bands associated with that are embarrassed to have even been considered Grunge cause they never asked for it,
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Posted: May 25 2008 at 13:08 |
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Melvins probably aren't grunge. I was just trying to name a Seattle band that wasn't wholly unoriginal and boring to me so I could use ze thread. ;P
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BroSpence
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Posted: May 25 2008 at 13:05 |
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I made my views known in the 1991 albums poll. I do not believe grunge is a genre. Soundgarden and Alice and Chains were metal bands. Pearl Jam is a rock band.
The Melvins are now considered "grunge" too? I guess they wore flannel. That's the defining element of "grunge" isn't it?
Nirvana, Mudhoney, Green River, Screaming Trees... These guys were just making some garage rock only the press decided to call it grunge instead of a revival. Of course in the mid 80s there was already a garage rock revival happening outside of Seattle, and those bands actually imitated everything the original rockers did. Where as, the "grunge" folks only took the sound and spirit, and left the style (clothing) behind.
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Posted: May 25 2008 at 12:49 |
Grunge sort of passed me by and I never really saw the appeal. Mirrorball by Neil Young & Pearl Jam is probably my favourite grunge inspired album.
Lee Brilleaux died the same week as Kurt Cobain and the news went practically unreported, which was a crying shame.
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mithrandir
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Posted: May 25 2008 at 12:37 |
Toaster Mantis wrote:
.. what's not to love about that? I also like a lot of the stoner rock bands that grunge inspired. |
Grunge didn't inspire any Stoner Rock bands, what you talkin' bout?
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Posted: May 25 2008 at 12:34 |
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and IMO Doolittle and Warehouse: Songs and Stories are both stronger albums than Nevermind. |
definitely, 
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rushaholic
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Posted: May 25 2008 at 07:36 |
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Not a big grunge fan but I did like, and still listen to, Alice in Chains. Dirt, and especially Jar of Flies, are great albums.
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Posted: May 25 2008 at 06:55 |
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btw L7 were NOT grunge.. they were 'Riot Grrrl' God bless them.
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Maybe in their politics and attitude (I witnessed the Reading Festival tampon incident) but their music was closer to Tad, Nirvana etc than to Bikini Kill or Bratmobile.
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"The disgusting stink of a too-loud electric guitar.... Now, that's my idea of a good time."
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Posted: May 25 2008 at 06:32 |
micky wrote:
A B Negative wrote:
Never cosidered Pearl Jam, Soundgarden or AIC grunge.
Mudhoney, Tad, Green River, L7, The Fluid, Bleach-era Nirvana - they were grunge! |
guess you had to be there
Seattle + flannel + heroin + early 90's rock = grunge
btw L7 were NOT grunge.. they were 'Riot Grrrl' God bless them.
for me... Nirvana... anyone who calls them overrated has been shooting the heroin and dropping basses on their heads.
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I like Nirvana, but I do consider them overrated. Nevermind is a good rock album, but Nirvana would never have existed without Husker Du and The Pixies (among others), and IMO Doolittle and Warehouse: Songs and Stories are both stronger albums than Nevermind.
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'Like so many of you
I've got my doubts about how much to contribute
to the already rich among us...'
Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom
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Toaster Mantis
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Posted: May 25 2008 at 06:07 |
I'm on two minds about grunge.
On one hand, I dig the hell out of the Melvins. They're basically the closest thing we have to what would happen if Salvador Dalí started a rock band... what's not to love about that? I also like a lot of the stoner rock bands that grunge inspired. I can even enjoy the more popular grunge bands, if mostly out of nostalgia for the 1990s.
On the other hand, I absolutely hate how grunge stole metal's status as "angry young man rock", something metal never really has recovered from. I'm not too fond of all the weak mope-rock that grunge went on to influence.
I guess this means that I don't mind grunge itself, but that I completely detest its effects with all my heart. No mystery Cobain killed himself.
Edited by Toaster Mantis - May 25 2008 at 06:09
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Posted: May 25 2008 at 02:22 |
^^^ I think Im right on that mindset as well with Nirvana. My girlfriend enjoys the hell out of them (has all their albums) and I just usually smile and nod when she talks about them the same way she smiles and nods when I go off on a Rush tangent . Still, they made some fun music. Fun in a depressing way I guess 
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Posted: May 25 2008 at 02:20 |
micky wrote:
for me... Nirvana... anyone who calls them overrated has been shooting the heroin and dropping basses on their heads.
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Guilty as charged   ! Not the heroin part (hate punching holes in my arms ), but probably the basses or other assorted musical instruments. Nevermind is an OK album, but nowhere close to the musical Second Coming that it's been painted to be by the hip press. That doesn't mean I find Nirvana bad or anything... Just average, I guess.
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