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Points: 7910 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 25 2008 at 12:27
Originally posted by Ghost Rider Ghost Rider wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:



for me... Nirvana...  anyone who calls them overrated has been shooting the heroin and dropping basses on their heads.


Guilty as chargedTongueWinkLOL! Not the heroin part (hate punching holes in my armsLOL), but probably the basses or other assorted musical instruments. Nevermind is an OK album, but nowhere close to the musical Second Coming that it's been painted to be by the hip press. That doesn't mean I find Nirvana bad or anything... Just average, I guess.


Raff, I'm with you on this one. I'd rather be hit upside the melon with a Fender Jazz Bass than listen to Nirvana.Big%20smile

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Points: 933 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 25 2008 at 12:34
Originally posted by Syzygy Syzygy wrote:

and IMO Doolittle and Warehouse: Songs and Stories are both stronger albums than Nevermind.


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Originally posted by Toaster Mantis Toaster Mantis wrote:

 .. what's not to love about that? I also like a lot of the stoner rock bands that grunge inspired.


Grunge didn't inspire any Stoner Rock bands, what you talkin' bout?
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Points: 37575 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 25 2008 at 12:49
Grunge sort of passed me by and I never really saw the appeal. Mirrorball by Neil Young & Pearl Jam is probably my favourite grunge inspired album.
 
Lee Brilleaux died the same week as Kurt Cobain and the news went practically unreported, which was a crying shame.
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I made my views known in the 1991 albums poll. I do not believe grunge is a genre.  Soundgarden and Alice and Chains were metal bands.  Pearl Jam is a rock band.

The Melvins are now considered "grunge" too?  I guess they wore flannel.  That's the defining element of "grunge" isn't it?

Nirvana, Mudhoney, Green River, Screaming Trees... These guys were just making some garage rock only the press decided to call it grunge instead of a revival.   Of course in the mid 80s there was already a garage rock revival happening outside of Seattle, and those bands actually imitated everything the original rockers did.  Where as, the "grunge" folks only took the sound and spirit, and left the style (clothing) behind. 
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Melvins probably aren't grunge. I was just trying to name a Seattle band that wasn't wholly unoriginal and boring to me so I could use ze thread. ;P
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Points: 933 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 25 2008 at 13:15
yup, I pretty much agree with you BroSpence, the "Grunge" moniker was was a monster that media and fashion whores got carried away with....most of those bands associated with that are embarrassed to have even been considered Grunge cause they never asked for it, 
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Originally posted by mithrandir mithrandir wrote:

Originally posted by Toaster Mantis Toaster Mantis wrote:

 .. what's not to love about that? I also like a lot of the stoner rock bands that grunge inspired.


Grunge didn't inspire any Stoner Rock bands, what you talkin' bout?
 
Monster Magnet definitely picked up some cues from Soundgarden when touring with them in support of the Superjudge album... everything after that one is definitely much more "1990s"-sounding than their old stuff. I also remember reading an interview with Kyuss where they cited the Melvins as an influence.
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Stoner Rock #1 influence is Sabbath and a whole slew of 70s Hardrock/HM bands, part of the whole Stoner Rock revival is also a derivative of Doom Metal, bands like The Obsessed, Saint Vitus, Trouble, Sleep and Cathedral taking more of a direct 70s influence with their riffing, 

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Originally posted by BroSpence BroSpence wrote:

The Melvins are now considered "grunge" too?  I guess they wore flannel.  That's the defining element of "grunge" isn't it?
 
I admit they're anything but easy to classify, but if you listen to Nirvana's Bleach it all definitely has a "Melvins-lite" vibe. This probably makes the Melvins more of proto-grunge, though, since they're a much older band and generally are much weirder.
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Originally posted by mithrandir mithrandir wrote:

Stoner Rock #1 influence is Sabbath and a whole slew of 70s Hardrock/HM bands, part of the whole Stoner Rock revival is also a derivative of Doom Metal, bands like The Obsessed, Saint Vitus, Trouble, Sleep and Cathedral taking more of a direct 70s influence with their riffing, 
 
Hmmmm. Since grunge had a lot of 1970s rock influence too, you might have a point... the similarities in sound between grunge and stoner rock could after all just be cases of parallel evolution.
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if indeed you consider Grunge as an actual genre,.... Vitus and Soundgarden were label mates at one time, both on SST and i think SG took a bit from Vitus during that time, I also I know Wino's band The Obsessed (plus Vitus), were a huge influence on Greg Ginn, and were one of the reasons why Black Flag came around to playing "Burn Out" Rock music with a heavy Sabbath/70s vibe, plus other SST mammoths like The Minutemen, Meat Puppets, Dinosaur Jr and Husker Du all came around from their Punk beginnings to play some heavy 70s influenced RnR, then of course you have odd ball bands like The Melvins and Flipper and Green River who had their place in the foundation of "Grunge", the 80s very great time for Underground Music all around if you ask me, Smile
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Points: 933 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 25 2008 at 14:16
and i could be wrong, but I believe fIREHOSE (mike watt/post-Minutemen), took the idea of flannel shirts as a simple clothing accessory to a full blown symbol of underground/cultural identity, 

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I love NIRVANA still, and always loved. Wait, no, I used to hate for some short time, when I was deep in power-prog-metal . They were my first rock band ever, the one that I discovered by myself, and I was torturing my parents by Cobain's stuff all my teenage-hood I hardly know any other grunge band (a shame, isn't it? ), but I've already got some ALICE IN CHAINS, PEARL JAM and SOUNDGARDEN stuff, along with some MELVINS and that TEMPLE OF THE DOG album.

But what I also know and like, can be described in three steps:

"Last Days" movie

Michael Pitt

PAGODA!!!
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I like three songs by Alice in Chains and that's it for grunge.
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Points: 3449 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 25 2008 at 17:28
Originally posted by mithrandir mithrandir wrote:

if indeed you consider Grunge as an actual genre,.... Vitus and Soundgarden were label mates at one time, both on SST and i think SG took a bit from Vitus during that time, I also I know Wino's band The Obsessed (plus Vitus), were a huge influence on Greg Ginn, and were one of the reasons why Black Flag came around to playing "Burn Out" Rock music with a heavy Sabbath/70s vibe, plus other SST mammoths like The Minutemen, Meat Puppets, Dinosaur Jr and Husker Du all came around from their Punk beginnings to play some heavy 70s influenced RnR, then of course you have odd ball bands like The Melvins and Flipper and Green River who had their place in the foundation of "Grunge", the 80s very great time for Underground Music all around if you ask me, Smile
 
Seems we should also give a nod to The Wipers, out of Portland, OR.  One listen to Youth of America and you'll get a pretty clear idea that it was a source of much Seattle Grunge. 
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PEARL JAM PEARL JAM PEARL JAM PEARL JAM
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Originally posted by jammun jammun wrote:

Seems we should also give a nod to The Wipers, out of Portland, OR.  One listen to Youth of America and you'll get a pretty clear idea that it was a source of much Seattle Grunge. 


ah! yes indeed, a very influential band, not just in Seattle but worldwide Thumbs%20Up
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Points: 1594 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 26 2008 at 03:27
Nirvana acknowledged the influence of The Wipers on the compilation Eight Songs for Greg Sage and The Wipers (The CD is Fourteen Songs for Greg Sage and The Wipers) by covering Return of the Rat.. They also recorded a version of D-7 which is on Hormoaning.
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Originally posted by mithrandir mithrandir wrote:

the 80s very great time for Underground Music all around if you ask me, Smile



OH, indeeeeeeeed.
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