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Points: 6673 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 25 2008 at 19:18
Originally posted by febus febus wrote:

what's the definition of ''IMPORTANT""prog songs??? .....It's Important  when every fanboy/girl will be happy if this list matches their own taste  or not important if by sacrilege one of their ''heroes or worshippees'' dare to be missing from this list !!Thumbs%20Down 
 
 
My dog Lucy and me are presently working hard on a new ''important ''list, at least very important to us.. We'll keep you postedTongueNext?
 
Bless Lucy!Big%20smile As JJ Rousseau so correctly stated "the more I analyze the human race, the more I love my dog" . Woofs have more taste than humans because they all show their real emotions, all the time . I , for one, eagerly await  this list with a wag of the tail we all once had a million years ago LOL
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Points: 8052 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 25 2008 at 19:14
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

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anyway.. instead of tossing stones... let's be fair.. let others toss stones at me. About to head out for some dinner.... so a quick start

a semi-coherent attempt at Most Important Prog Songs

1. KC - 21st Century Schizoid Man
2. Yes - Ctte
3. ELP- Tarkus
4. Pink Floyd - Saucerful of Secrets
5. Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells

discuss or flame behind my back LOL


Reminds me that I need to get some early Floyd. And some rocks. And some music knowledge

I'd have thought of Moonchild's crossing of improv and rehearsed moments in a non-musical (image-based) fashion was pretty significant as well. Close To The Edge seems a reasonable water-mark, but I'd have thought that, say, Roundabout was as influential/important, and took place a year earlier. Tarkus and Schizoid Man seem fair enough, even if Camel are more popular. Tubular Bells is a ballsy pick. Why?
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Points: 15745 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 25 2008 at 19:05
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:


Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

wow i didnt realize YYZ was listed twice. That actually may have been my fault since i typed the list off of the original. So i'll find out what the mystery song is.the "importance" i think is how important the songs were to the development and progression of prog rock as a whole.Also, other than the first 10 songs or so, i cant truly agree on the selections. I notice no one else has really complained about the top 10. if i could, (cause i agree with it) my top ten would be tweaked...

1. King Crimson – “21st Century Schizoid Man”



2. YES – “Close To the Edge”



3. Miles Davis – “Pharaoh’s Dance” or "Shh...Peaceful"



4. Jethro Tull – “Thick As A Brick”



5. Pink Floyd – “Echoes”



6. Genesis – “A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers”



7. The Beatles – “I Want You (She’s So Heavy)



8. Frank Zappa – “Peaches En Regalia”



9. Rush - "2112"



10. Phish – “You Enjoy Myself”


honestly.. no ELP.. no credibility.. unless this is a list of your favorites... Tarkus... not in the top 5. Sort of makes it look silly.


at least he could have put Trilogy, at least.
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anyway.. instead of tossing stones... let's be fair.. let others toss stones at me. About to head out for some dinner.... so a quick start

a semi-coherent attempt at Most Important Prog Songs

1. KC - 21st Century Schizoid Man
2. Yes - Ctte
3. ELP- Tarkus
4. Pink Floyd - Saucerful of Secrets
5. Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells

discuss or flame behind my back LOL
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Worst attempt I've ever seen, and far to much american stuff. These are the only tracks from the list I would have considered including:

1. King Crimson – “21st Century Schizoid Man”

2. YES – “Close To the Edge”

4. Jethro Tull – “Thick As A Brick”

5. Pink Floyd – “Echoes”

8. Frank Zappa – “Peaches En Regalia”

31. Genesis – “The Musical Box”
Over land and under ashes
In the sunlight, see - it flashes
Find a fly and eat his eye
But don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

wow i didnt realize YYZ was listed twice. That actually may have been my fault since i typed the list off of the original. So i'll find out what the mystery song is.

the "importance" i think is how important the songs were to the development and progression of prog rock as a whole.

Also, other than the first 10 songs or so, i cant truly agree on the selections. I notice no one else has really complained about the top 10.

if i could, (cause i agree with it) my top ten would be tweaked...

1. King Crimson – “21st Century Schizoid Man”

2. YES – “Close To the Edge”

3. Miles Davis – “Pharaoh’s Dance” or "Shh...Peaceful"

4. Jethro Tull – “Thick As A Brick”

5. Pink Floyd – “Echoes”

6. Genesis – “A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers”

7. The Beatles – “I Want You (She’s So Heavy)

8. Frank Zappa – “Peaches En Regalia”

9. Rush - "2112"

10. Phish – “You Enjoy Myself”




honestly.. no ELP.. no credibility.. unless this is a list of your favorites...  Tarkus... not in the top 5.  Sort of makes it look silly.
 
well we can always swap out Gregory Peccary for Tarkus LOL
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Points: 46843 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 25 2008 at 17:28
I see... was just quoting your 10 though...

just re-title it from 'most important' to .'favorites'. Wink  No way that that Tarkus isn't right with CttE.   See .. you will  find it in texts devoted to prog.. mentioned in the same breath for importance, infuence, and the development of prog and will not find Rush, VDGG, or frickin Phish mentioned anywhere with them.
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Points: 10964 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 25 2008 at 17:16
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

personally, id have tarkus at #11


behind what?.. the ones you have in front...  Rush?.. VDGG?? Phish???..  oh no..

let me put in to you this way.. .you will find Tarkus in many more discussions about important pieces of prog music.. then any of those 3 combined. 

my two cents..  it's your list...Wink


the top ten one was me, but the original list in the first post is not. i personally dont like ELP as the other classic prog bands, yet Tarkus will still make it to 11 for me.

i also think there shouldve been some more fusion bands, or Italian prog like PFM or Area.
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Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

personally, id have tarkus at #11


behind what?.. the ones you have in front...  Rush?.. VDGG?? Phish???..  oh no..

let me put in to you this way.. .you will find Tarkus in many more discussions about important pieces of prog music.. then any of those 3 combined. 

my two cents..  it's your list...Wink
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personally, id have tarkus at #11
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Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

wow i didnt realize YYZ was listed twice. That actually may have been my fault since i typed the list off of the original. So i'll find out what the mystery song is.

the "importance" i think is how important the songs were to the development and progression of prog rock as a whole.

Also, other than the first 10 songs or so, i cant truly agree on the selections. I notice no one else has really complained about the top 10.

if i could, (cause i agree with it) my top ten would be tweaked...

1. King Crimson – “21st Century Schizoid Man”

2. YES – “Close To the Edge”

3. Miles Davis – “Pharaoh’s Dance” or "Shh...Peaceful"

4. Jethro Tull – “Thick As A Brick”

5. Pink Floyd – “Echoes”

6. Genesis – “A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers”

7. The Beatles – “I Want You (She’s So Heavy)

8. Frank Zappa – “Peaches En Regalia”

9. Rush - "2112"

10. Phish – “You Enjoy Myself”




honestly.. no ELP.. no credibility.. unless this is a list of your favorites...  Tarkus... not in the top 5.  Sort of makes it look silly.
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Originally posted by Harry Hood Harry Hood wrote:

I love Phish, and it's nice to see them being recognized as prog by somebody (it still pains me to see them listed as prog related on this site), but I would agree that they're getting a little too much recognition on that list. Out of all the songs listed, I'd probably pick You Enjoy Myself as being the most important.


gotta agree with you on that one. Phish are so underrated here and misunderstood. They are ACTUALLY A PROG BAND yet they're in Prog-Related. im all for a new thread on trying to get Phish to be under Eclectic Prog or something.
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wow i didnt realize YYZ was listed twice. That actually may have been my fault since i typed the list off of the original. So i'll find out what the mystery song is.

the "importance" i think is how important the songs were to the development and progression of prog rock as a whole.

Also, other than the first 10 songs or so, i cant truly agree on the selections. I notice no one else has really complained about the top 10.

if i could, (cause i agree with it) my top ten would be tweaked...

1. King Crimson – “21st Century Schizoid Man”

2. YES – “Close To the Edge”

3. Miles Davis – “Pharaoh’s Dance” or "Shh...Peaceful"

4. Jethro Tull – “Thick As A Brick”

5. Pink Floyd – “Echoes”

6. Genesis – “A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers”

7. The Beatles – “I Want You (She’s So Heavy)

8. Frank Zappa – “Peaches En Regalia”

9. Rush - "2112"

10. Phish – “You Enjoy Myself”
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I agree with some of it, but where on the list is Gentle Giant - Knots, VDGG - Sleepwalkers, Tool - Reflection and Rick Wakeman - JTTCOTE? they were all pivotal points in prog and helped define the genre: Knots and Sleepwalkers shows off and pushed the diversity of prog, Reflection showed off how one simple riff and a lot of openmindedness can be enough to create a masterpiece and Journey presented how pretentious and classically orientated prog could really be. Not the most obvious of choices, but important and influential nonetheless.
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Points: 46843 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 25 2008 at 10:19
hahhahahha..  of course hahahhah
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^... bingo.. whether you like it or not...  #2 is what makes the song 'important' .

these  lists are hard to do.. because you just can't listen to the music.. you have to KNOW the music...
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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

an example... of using your mind in doing lists like this.. not your preferences...

ELP - Lucky Man

anyone care to guess.. why it should be high up on a list of important progressive rock songs?


1. Hit, and contributed substantially to ELP's popularity. It wasn't even released as a single in the UK, IIRC, so any sales contributed to album sales.
2. Archetypal and early moog solo
3. That and Take A Pebble introduced ELP to people who wouldn't normally be interested in the weight of, say, Barbarian and Knife Edge.
(4. Awesome drumming)
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an example... of using your mind in doing lists like this.. not your preferences...

ELP - Lucky Man

anyone care to guess.. why it should be high up on a list of important progressive rock songs?
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well, I certainly would have had the genres they overlooked in that poll. important songs would definitely have included "Phallus Dei" by Amon Düül 2 and "Der Elektrolurch" by Guru Guru. both songs had a big influence on the German Rock scene. also Magma's "MDK" would have been in there; another very influential song. and of Canterbury perhaps "Flying Teapot" by Gong or some song by Hatfield and the North. but the choices in that list are sometimes ridiculous

Edited by BaldJean - May 25 2008 at 09:55


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