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The Quiet One ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: January 16 2008 Location: Argentina Status: Offline Points: 15745 |
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popeyethecat ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 04 2008 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 190 |
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Are you sure that's a good reason not to listen to something? Because it sounds like a reason TO listen to me ![]() |
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Avantgardehead ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: December 29 2006 Location: Dublin, OH, USA Status: Offline Points: 1170 |
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The Mothers of Invention: Great stuff
Frank's jazz-fusion albums: Great aside from the filler The stuff in-between: Not too great... |
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UMUR ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 19 2007 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 3081 |
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No. Thing-Fish is definitely not the place to start with Zappa but it´s a favorite of mine. The Flo and Eddie years had its charm as well IMO.
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jammun ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: July 14 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3449 |
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There is no truly bad Zappa album. There are some that just about scrape bottom, e.g., the Flo & Eddie years, but even on those there are moments that somehow, almost in defiance of Zappa's worst impulses, manage to redeem the entire album, or at least save it from what used to be cut-out bin oblivion. Now that being said, I think there is a reason that Hot Rats and One Size Fits All generally get top billing: they are, for Zappa albums, generally accessible to a newcomer to his music. I mean, I sort of enjoy Thing Fish (it has its moments, after all), but I don't think I'd necessarily recommend that as a starting point.
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Prospero ![]() Forum Groupie ![]() Joined: June 06 2008 Location: Quebec Status: Offline Points: 91 |
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His music sucks. It is unfocused and the lyrics are irrelevant. No one should even bother listening to him.
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UMUR ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 19 2007 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 3081 |
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Maybe my favorite artist. I like most of his stuff. Also some of the more controversial/ low rated albums like Thing-Fish and The Man from Utopia. I´ve started from an end with my reviews of his discography and the next one is Apostrophe. I´m looking forward to writing that one shortly.
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The Quiet One ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: January 16 2008 Location: Argentina Status: Offline Points: 15745 |
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^Hmm, I don't share same thought on a bit of that, either tastes, lol
Zappa's albums, that show what Zappa is, IMO are One Size Fits All, Roxy & Elsewhere and Over-Nite Sensation. Then would come the trio of excellent jazz-rock albums, and then Zappa in NY is one of the best live albums I ever heard, so.... His 80's stuff, are Decent up to Great. Jazz from Hell is really complex, and innovating. |
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ghost_of_morphy ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: March 08 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2755 |
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All sorts of people will try to convince you that One Size Fits All is the climax of what the Mothers did.
Screw that. Weasels Ripped My Flesh is Zappa's most experimentive and avant-garde album. It's not perfect, but it showcases why he is prog so much better than anything else.
As for the BEST Zappa album, give Apostrophe a spin. It's totally excellent! It introduces Zappa's more modern rock affiliations without compromising.
After those, grab Hot Rats. Zappa's first excursion into Jazz Rock was definitely his best. You will enjoy this, despite how different it is.
Time for a live album (although that's always hard to define with Zappa.). Zappa in New York and Sheik Yerbouti both deserve recognition here.
Let's end with an album that amounts to a protest against labeling albums. Joe's Garage started as a protest, but it ended up as so much more.
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The Quiet One ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: January 16 2008 Location: Argentina Status: Offline Points: 15745 |
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^ha, I was just fooling around, hehe...
Yeah, Cheepnis, Village of the Sun, Dummy Up, More Trouble Everyday, and some more, are highly complex, and still very accesible, and VERY ENJOYABLE!!! Damn, Zappa is good! hahhaaha |
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song_of_copper ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 20 2008 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 1065 |
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Aw, thanks! ![]() ...well, yeah, you're right... not so much the 'Be-Bop Tango'... although of course it does have a useful beginner's lesson in rhythm! ("...that's a pedestrian beat...") ![]() 'Cheepnis' and 'Village of the Sun' ought to appeal pretty widely though! |
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The Quiet One ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: January 16 2008 Location: Argentina Status: Offline Points: 15745 |
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![]() Except for the part that Roxy & Elsewhere is accesible ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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song_of_copper ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 20 2008 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 1065 |
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Ah... Frank Zappa. I pretty much became an instant fan the first time I heard his music.
![]() Recently I've been somewhat less interested in his music than I used to be. I think that's because my needs have changed: subject-matter wise, I want to hear hopeful music now, not so much an incisive summary of all that's stupid and frustrating in the world. But musically, it's still amazing. Listen to other people's music, then come back to Zappa, and you suddenly realise how densely-packed it is with ideas, how streamlined it sounds, how invincibly disciplined! In common with many super-intelligent types, Zappa seems to have combined the attention span of a gnat (sometimes he swaps genres more than once during one song, and a lot of people complain that his albums don't 'flow' or have a 'narrative' to them) with the most incredibly obsessive, zealous devotion and application to his craft (composing, playing, recording). This mixture of fickleness and monomania gives his music a very distinctive feel. It's not for everyone. And he puts many people off with his more off-colour moments in the humour department. But at its best, his music is utterly sublime - and it doesn't get old. Albums I've listened to hundreds of times still feel fresh to me after a few years of listening. A notable exception for me is 'Hot Rats'. Everyone always recommends 'Hot Rats' but I tend to think of that as a misleading starting point. It's... Zappa for people who don't like Zappa. ![]() ![]() |
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Owlchops ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: March 21 2009 Status: Offline Points: 24 |
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He was one of the originators of the prog genre, without actually being formally credited/associated with it.
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tszirmay ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: August 17 2006 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 6673 |
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There is only one Zappa, his name is Frank, later Uncle Frank. While not a huge fan, my first hometown concert was Zappa and it was a guitar fest, no vocals, simply breathtaking! One of my first records was Chunga's Revenge , a delirious , at times puzzling set of music and tunes, namely Peaches in Regalia as well as Transylvanian Boogie. The title cut is no shab job either! The Mothers with Mud Shark and the ridiculously tight (no pun intended) Dinah-Moe Hum , made quite an impression back in the days when sex , was , well , sort of a new still taboo subject! Roxy and Elsewhere (with a title like that how can I say no -see avatar) only confirms the genius . Huge influence on a multitude of musicians worldwide, his irascible behaviour and sharp intellect is sorely missed in a world so full of apathy . In everything, just look at the news!
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I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth.
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Petrovsk Mizinski ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: December 24 2007 Location: Ukraine Status: Offline Points: 25210 |
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So you'd hug him? Now tell us how you feel about his music:P |
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manofmystery ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 26 2008 Location: PA, USA Status: Offline Points: 4335 |
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my opinion of Frank, simply put: ![]() |
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Petrovsk Mizinski ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: December 24 2007 Location: Ukraine Status: Offline Points: 25210 |
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I barely listen to Zappa and to be honest, I think a fair bit of his music is pretty terrible, but for the stuff that I do like, I absolutely love it.
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himtroy ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 20 2009 Status: Offline Points: 1601 |
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I love Zappa. I think between the mans more rock outfitted bands, classical, and jazz he is a musical genious. I got into him through We're Only In It for the Money
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Matthew T ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 01 2007 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 5291 |
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