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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 24 2009 at 10:12
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 24 2009 at 10:06
Originally posted by Prospero Prospero wrote:

His music sucks. It is unfocused and the lyrics are irrelevant. No one should even bother listening to him.


Are you sure that's a good reason not to listen to something? Because it sounds like a reason TO listen to me LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 24 2009 at 04:44
The Mothers of Invention: Great stuff
Frank's jazz-fusion albums: Great aside from the filler
The stuff in-between: Not too great...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 24 2009 at 03:58
No. Thing-Fish is definitely not the place to start with Zappa but it´s a favorite of mine. The Flo and Eddie years had its charm as well IMO.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 23 2009 at 21:00
There is no truly bad Zappa album.  There are some that just about scrape bottom, e.g., the Flo & Eddie years, but even on those there are moments that somehow, almost in defiance of Zappa's worst impulses, manage to redeem the entire album, or at least save it from what used to be cut-out bin oblivion.  Now that being said, I think there is a reason that Hot Rats and One Size Fits All generally get top billing:  they are, for Zappa albums, generally accessible to a newcomer to his music.  I mean, I sort of enjoy Thing Fish (it has its moments, after all), but I don't think I'd necessarily recommend that as a starting point. 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 23 2009 at 20:52
His music sucks. It is unfocused and the lyrics are irrelevant. No one should even bother listening to him.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 23 2009 at 15:39
Maybe my favorite artist. I like most of his stuff. Also some of the more controversial/ low rated albums like Thing-Fish and The Man from Utopia. I´ve started from an end with my reviews of his discography and the next one is Apostrophe. I´m looking forward to writing that one shortly.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 23 2009 at 15:19
^Hmm, I don't share same thought on a bit of that, either tastes, lol

Zappa's albums, that show what Zappa is, IMO are One Size Fits All, Roxy & Elsewhere and Over-Nite Sensation.

Then would come the trio of excellent jazz-rock albums, and then Zappa in NY is one of the best live albums I ever heard, so....  His 80's stuff, are Decent up to Great. Jazz from Hell is really complex, and innovating.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 23 2009 at 00:08
All sorts of people will try to convince you that One Size Fits All is the climax of what the Mothers did. 
 
Screw that.  Weasels Ripped My Flesh is Zappa's most experimentive and avant-garde album.  It's not perfect, but it showcases why he is prog so much better than anything else.
 
As for the BEST Zappa album, give Apostrophe a spin.  It's totally excellent!  It introduces Zappa's more modern rock affiliations without compromising.
 
After those, grab Hot Rats.  Zappa's first excursion into Jazz Rock was definitely his best.  You will enjoy this, despite how different it is.
 
Time for a live album (although that's always hard to define with Zappa.). Zappa in New York and Sheik Yerbouti both deserve recognition here.
 
Let's end with an album that amounts to a protest against labeling albums.  Joe's Garage started as a protest, but it ended up as so much more. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2009 at 19:53
^ha, I was just fooling around, hehe...

Yeah, Cheepnis, Village of the Sun, Dummy Up, More Trouble Everyday, and some more, are highly complex, and still very accesible, and VERY ENJOYABLE!!!

Damn,  Zappa is good! hahhaaha
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2009 at 19:47
Originally posted by cacho cacho wrote:

Clap That would be perfect to put on the artist page of Frank Zappa for newcommers!

Except for the part that Roxy & Elsewhere is accesibleConfused Be-Bop Tango accesible?ConfusedWink

Aw, thanks! Big smile

...well, yeah, you're right... not so much the 'Be-Bop Tango'... although of course it does have a useful beginner's lesson in rhythm!  ("...that's a pedestrian beat...") LOL

'Cheepnis' and 'Village of the Sun' ought to appeal pretty widely though!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2009 at 19:39
Originally posted by song_of_copper song_of_copper wrote:

Ah... Frank Zappa.  I pretty much became an instant fan the first time I heard his music. Big smile  It was absolutely what I needed right then: something fiercely intelligent, cynical, complex, controversial, different, and above all, Fun.  With A Capital 'F'.

Recently I've been somewhat less interested in his music than I used to be.  I think that's because my needs have changed: subject-matter wise, I want to hear hopeful music now, not so much an incisive summary of all that's stupid and frustrating in the world.  But musically, it's still amazing.  Listen to other people's music, then come back to Zappa, and you suddenly realise how densely-packed it is with ideas, how streamlined it sounds, how invincibly disciplined!

In common with many super-intelligent types, Zappa seems to have combined the attention span of a gnat (sometimes he swaps genres more than once during one song, and a lot of people complain that his albums don't 'flow' or have a 'narrative' to them) with the most incredibly obsessive, zealous devotion and application to his craft (composing, playing, recording).  This mixture of fickleness and monomania gives his music a very distinctive feel.  It's not for everyone.  And he puts many people off with his more off-colour moments in the humour department.  But at its best, his music is utterly sublime - and it doesn't get old.  Albums I've listened to hundreds of times still feel fresh to me after a few years of listening.

A notable exception for me is 'Hot Rats'.  Everyone always recommends 'Hot Rats' but I tend to think of that as a misleading starting point.  It's... Zappa for people who don't like Zappa. Tongue  Someone recommended 'Roxy & Elsewhere': yes!  That's an outstanding record.  Excellent songs, amazing playing, and Frank's onstage persona is very entertaining! Thumbs Up  Accessible but brilliant.


Clap That would be perfect to put on the artist page of Frank Zappa for newcommers!

Except for the part that Roxy & Elsewhere is accesibleConfused Be-Bop Tango accesible?ConfusedWink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2009 at 19:34
Ah... Frank Zappa.  I pretty much became an instant fan the first time I heard his music. Big smile  It was absolutely what I needed right then: something fiercely intelligent, cynical, complex, controversial, different, and above all, Fun.  With A Capital 'F'.

Recently I've been somewhat less interested in his music than I used to be.  I think that's because my needs have changed: subject-matter wise, I want to hear hopeful music now, not so much an incisive summary of all that's stupid and frustrating in the world.  But musically, it's still amazing.  Listen to other people's music, then come back to Zappa, and you suddenly realise how densely-packed it is with ideas, how streamlined it sounds, how invincibly disciplined!

In common with many super-intelligent types, Zappa seems to have combined the attention span of a gnat (sometimes he swaps genres more than once during one song, and a lot of people complain that his albums don't 'flow' or have a 'narrative' to them) with the most incredibly obsessive, zealous devotion and application to his craft (composing, playing, recording).  This mixture of fickleness and monomania gives his music a very distinctive feel.  It's not for everyone.  And he puts many people off with his more off-colour moments in the humour department.  But at its best, his music is utterly sublime - and it doesn't get old.  Albums I've listened to hundreds of times still feel fresh to me after a few years of listening.

A notable exception for me is 'Hot Rats'.  Everyone always recommends 'Hot Rats' but I tend to think of that as a misleading starting point.  It's... Zappa for people who don't like Zappa. Tongue  Someone recommended 'Roxy & Elsewhere': yes!  That's an outstanding record.  Excellent songs, amazing playing, and Frank's onstage persona is very entertaining! Thumbs Up  Accessible but brilliant.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2009 at 17:24
He was one of the originators of the prog genre, without actually being formally credited/associated with it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2009 at 02:07
There is only one Zappa, his name is Frank, later Uncle Frank. While not a huge fan, my first hometown concert was Zappa and it was a guitar fest, no vocals, simply breathtaking! One of my first records was Chunga's Revenge , a delirious , at times puzzling set of music and tunes, namely Peaches in Regalia as well as Transylvanian Boogie. The title cut is no shab job either! The Mothers with Mud Shark and the ridiculously tight (no pun intended) Dinah-Moe Hum , made quite an impression back in the days when sex , was , well , sort of a new still taboo subject!  Roxy and Elsewhere (with a title like that how can I say no  -see avatar) only confirms the genius . Huge influence on a multitude of musicians worldwide, his irascible behaviour and sharp intellect is sorely missed in a world so full of apathy . In everything, just look at the news!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2009 at 22:22
Originally posted by manofmystery manofmystery wrote:

my opinion of Frank, simply put:

Hug


So you'd hug him?
Now tell us how you feel about his music:P
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2009 at 22:18

my opinion of Frank, simply put:

Hug


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2009 at 21:07
I barely listen to Zappa and to be honest, I think a fair bit of his music is pretty terrible, but for the stuff that I do like, I absolutely love it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2009 at 17:49
I love Zappa.  I think between the mans more rock outfitted bands, classical, and jazz he is a musical genious.  I got into him through We're Only In It for the Money
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2009 at 16:53
Originally posted by WalterDigsTunes WalterDigsTunes wrote:

Originally posted by Matthew T Matthew T wrote:

 
If you get Lather don't bother with Sleep Dirt or Studio Tan as those albums were taken off Lather as The record company kicked up at the time about releasing a triple album and took those 2 off Lather which was not properly released to the arrival of cds
 


Die-hards ought to know that the songs featured on Lather are, by and large, different than the ones on the late 70s LPs. http://lukpac.org/~handmade/patio/vinylvscds/lather.html shows how some songs are longer, shorter, different mixes or different takes. Obsessives will likely revel in spotting the differences between the songs.
Yeah I know what you mean but I thought it was a bit early for the member who asked the question to be really doubling up and yes I will be honest I have only heard the 2 albums once or twice but really If I was asking for help I would not like to get albums with same songs when I could be getting material I have not heard from the Frank
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