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Points: 10266 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2009 at 12:04
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Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

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Have trouble mourning the fact that there's one less child molester in the world now
It's nice that the court of your f**king opinion has the power to make someone have no value as a human being.
Do you have children?
Although I think people get hysterical about pedophiles because they don't understand how they operate (I read recently that a school in England banned anyone from photographing soccer games but I can't find a link), the point is not the natural reactions one has towards pedophiles. The point is that he was acquitted, yet despite the law deciding that he was innocent (twice!), since it his opinion that he did it, he feels free to disregard the evidence and declare him a worthless parisite. This isn't OJ, folks.
 
But even if he were guilty, being a pedophile does not invalidate him as a human being and I take offense at the notion that it does. They are criminals, yes, but their crime is no different from any other. In fact, we should pity them more, as the vast majority of the time they were the victims of abuse themselves.
 
I wasn't endorsing what MoM said nor am I dismissing it Harry,and wasn't trying to pick on you.It's just that being a father my opinions on child molestation or pedophilia might be different than yours.

I'm a mother, and believe me, I feel very strongly about paedophilia. The whole Michael Jackson paedophilia affair, however, always looked like a sham and extortion scheme to me and nothing else.
That being said: I did not like his music at all, but he has done a lot for the visual interpretation of it. Music videos of today would not be what they are without him.


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I will always be angry at Thriller for selling more albums than The Wall. It's only exacerbated by my being irritated at him constantly.



But he did have talent, at least before the 90s.
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Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by tszirmay tszirmay wrote:

The Howard Hughes of Pop is gone. Like so many mega-stars , he never came across as a happy camper, rather a tragic figure locked in a gilded cage. We simple citizens  take for granted many freedoms, such as going to the street corner store to buy a paper, a walk in the park with poochie or having a nice dinner in a bistro. MJ could never enjoy such simple joys. It proves only that life is a never a free ride.
 
Please Thomas, tha's not the point, his death is sad for those who feel it (honestly I don't, never liked his music and much less him as a person), but lack of privacy is the price you pay for fame and fortune,
 
There's other people who can't buy a paper in the corner or have a dog to ride and much less to have a dinner wherever because they can't afford it or live in a box bellow a bridge....But when they die, nobody gives a damn.
 
He could afford his own amusement park in his huge house, if he lost his money is not anybody's except his fault. He had all the chances and talent enough to make the music all the world liked, 99.99999999999% of the people don't have this oportunity.
 
He's dead...I'm sorry as I am sorry for average John who dies after 40 years of working from 9 to 5 for 6 days a week and 3 mortgages to pay  but  much les than the kid who dies in Puno because he's cold and nobody cares because he never made a video. ( http://americaninlima.com/2009/06/02/needless-deaths-in-the-andes/ )
 
For good or bad, Michael Jackson lived as he wanted to live, he had a chance nobody else has and died because his time came.
 
Sorry, but I can't proclaim what I don't feel.
 
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Well, your just an arrogant proggie! How dare you not like Michael Jackson. You are a bad person because of this. /sarcasm

As a side note, I think it's  funny that I made a thread about how it was sad that prog musicians were dying about a month ago, and I was called an idiot by the same ppl that are tearing their clothes in sorrow in this thread.


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Originally posted by tszirmay tszirmay wrote:

The Howard Hughes of Pop is gone. Like so many mega-stars , he never came across as a happy camper, rather a tragic figure locked in a gilded cage. We simple citizens  take for granted many freedoms, such as going to the street corner store to buy a paper, a walk in the park with poochie or having a nice dinner in a bistro. MJ could never enjoy such simple joys. It proves only that life is a never a free ride.
 
Please Thomas, that's not the point, his death is sad for those who feel it (honestly I don't, never liked his music and much less him as a person), but lack of privacy is the price you pay for fame and fortune,
 
There's other people who can't buy a paper in the corner or have a dog to ride and much less to have a dinner wherever because they can't afford it or live in a box bellow a bridge....But when they die, nobody gives a damn.
 
He could afford his own amusement park in his huge house, if he lost his money is not anybody's except his fault. He had all the chances and talent enough to make the music all the world liked, 99.99999999999% of the people don't have this oportunity.
 
He's dead...I'm sorry as I am sorry for average John who dies after 40 years of working from 9 to 5 for 6 days a week and 3 mortgages to pay  but  much les than the kid who dies in Puno because he's cold and nobody cares because he never made a video. ( http://americaninlima.com/2009/06/02/needless-deaths-in-the-andes/ )
 
For good or bad, Michael Jackson lived as he wanted to live, he had a chance nobody else has and died because his time came.
 
Sorry, but I can't proclaim what I don't feel.
 
Iván
 


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The Howard Hughes of Pop is gone. Like so many mega-stars , he never came across as a happy camper, rather a tragic figure locked in a gilded cage. We simple citizens  take for granted many freedoms, such as going to the street corner store to buy a paper, a walk in the park with poochie or having a nice dinner in a bistro. MJ could never enjoy such simple joys. It proves only that life is a never a free ride.
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That explain why the internet was so slow at 0400, British time.......

I was never a fan of Michael Jackson. But he made this world a lot more interesting by being what he was. He made hundreds of millions very happy. He was a bit of a nutter and perhaps a genious.  Maybe he was regarded a nutter because he was a genious. There is a straight line running from Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart to Michael Jackson. The straight line is also called "lack of social skills". Remember, his childhood was not normal. He did not get an upbringing which promoted social skills, to put it mildly. In these circumstances, building Neverland and sleeping in the same bed as teenage boys seems normal. I do not think Michael Jackson became older than 16 years in his own mind. "I have money and I can do whatever I want". That's the ethic. That's lack of social skills. Maybe he was a pedofile. But I just think he did not have a clue. He was a small child in a cruel world. But that's is still no excuse for what he did. 

I feel sorry for all his fans and those who are crying their eyes out today. Rest In Peace, Michael. 
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I remember when Thriller was at it's zenith, The Jacksons had just released Victory and the tour kicked off at Arrowhead Stadium here in Kansas City. This city was absolutely electric and all the news media had converged. Really was something that night.

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I personally think he's guilty as hell, but that's neither here nor there. It's going to be weird that a staple of American culture for the past 3 decades is now dead.

That being said, I never really cared for his stuff. (Even before I was into prog, so I don't get bashed by the "U r a prog bigot" hate train)
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First off, it's a sad day, the man was great, like his music or not (and for the record; I don't particularly).
 
As for the paedophile discussion: You must be out of your minds! Nothing was ever proven, in spite of all cash-motivated efforts to the contrary. To my knowledge no stone was left unturned, and all without result. That's good enough for me. I just see a man who was continuously and mercilessly hunted from multiple sides.
 
The lynch mob mentality is sickening!
 
Rest in peace, MJ!
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rest in Peace MIchael Jackson  a tru genius of pop-legend, he was a tru entertainer and shaped the path for dancers and singers in 80s, 90s and 00s and revolutionised the music Video,

im listning to  Thriller now  and is a little bit sad Cry 
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R.I.P. Michael Jackson.

By wanting to please other people you never seemed pleased with yourself.

Such a shame

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I woke up today feeling like sh*t from flu and the first thing I hear is this. There goes one of my heroes. RIP and tons of love and clappies for his music Cry Clap
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Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

Heard about this news earlier....

Complete surprise.
I mean the guy was only 50, not overweight, not into drugs, (that we know of at least).


He was addicted to painkillers apparently and other medications I gather.
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Manufactured as a child star at the age of 7 & in the public spotlight ever since; sold tens of millions of albums worldwide & produced some of the most memorable videos ever seen - in his prime, he worked with some of the biggest names in music and was a mesmeric live performer, but sadly in his later years became a tragic, withdrawn parody of stardom.



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and his dancing, really mesmerizing









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It's pretty sad waking up in a world where there is no Micheal Jackson, Micheal was a music genius and he will be missed.

I hope that now he is truly at peace at last.

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Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Cry
 
yes, he wasn't perfect. Not even close. But you don't know what made him into what he was, if he even was it. He was acquited after all.
 
It's so easy to judge... so easy...
 
He was a pop legend and I can gladly say I enjoy many of his songs... RIP Jackson...
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RIP Michael Jackson
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Cry
 
yes, he wasn't perfect. Not even close. But you don't know what made him into what he was, if he even was it. He was acquited after all.
 
It's so easy to judge... so easy...
 
He was a pop legend and I can gladly say I enjoy many of his songs... RIP Jackson...
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Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Originally posted by manofmystery manofmystery wrote:

Have trouble mourning the fact that there's one less child molester in the world now
It's nice that the court of your f**king opinion has the power to make someone have no value as a human being.
Do you have children?
Although I think people get hysterical about pedophiles because they don't understand how they operate (I read recently that a school in England banned anyone from photographing soccer games but I can't find a link), the point is not the natural reactions one has towards pedophiles. The point is that he was acquitted, yet despite the law deciding that he was innocent (twice!), since it his opinion that he did it, he feels free to disregard the evidence and declare him a worthless parisite. This isn't OJ, folks.
 
But even if he were guilty, being a pedophile does not invalidate him as a human being and I take offense at the notion that it does. They are criminals, yes, but their crime is no different from any other. In fact, we should pity them more, as the vast majority of the time they were the victims of abuse themselves.
 
I wasn't endorsing what MoM said nor am I dismissing it Harry,and wasn't trying to pick on you.It's just that being a father my opinions on child molestation or pedophilia might be different than yours.


Ey, that was Henry that said that, not me:P
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Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Originally posted by manofmystery manofmystery wrote:

Have trouble mourning the fact that there's one less child molester in the world now
It's nice that the court of your f**king opinion has the power to make someone have no value as a human being.
Do you have children?
Although I think people get hysterical about pedophiles because they don't understand how they operate (I read recently that a school in England banned anyone from photographing soccer games but I can't find a link), the point is not the natural reactions one has towards pedophiles. The point is that he was acquitted, yet despite the law deciding that he was innocent (twice!), since it his opinion that he did it, he feels free to disregard the evidence and declare him a worthless parisite. This isn't OJ, folks.
 
But even if he were guilty, being a pedophile does not invalidate him as a human being and I take offense at the notion that it does. They are criminals, yes, but their crime is no different from any other. In fact, we should pity them more, as the vast majority of the time they were the victims of abuse themselves.
 
I wasn't endorsing what MoM said nor am I dismissing it Harry,and wasn't trying to pick on you.It's just that being a father my opinions on child molestation or pedophilia might be different than yours.


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