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Misomex777 
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Posted: September 14 2009 at 15:18 |
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Yes' Union or Talk
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The Quiet One
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Posted: September 14 2009 at 15:20 |
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Way too easy:
- One is crap = Onion
- One is great = Talk
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tszirmay
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Posted: September 14 2009 at 15:22 |
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Onions make you cry. You can walk the talk
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: September 14 2009 at 15:30 |
Union gets a lot of flack, but it's OK in my book. I've never heard Talk. I like onions and garlic and shallots and scallions and I like Union, just not as much as onions and garlic and shallots and scallions. 
Edited by Slartibartfast - September 14 2009 at 17:36
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Epignosis
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Posted: September 14 2009 at 15:31 |
 The Quiet One wrote:
Way too easy:
- One is crap = Onion
- One is great = Talk
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tdfloyd
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Posted: September 14 2009 at 15:31 |
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Union is not as bad as it is made out to be. Not a big fan but its better than Talk. I'll have to go back and dig it out, I recently did that with Calling All Stations and now find it to be satisfactory.
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Moogtron III
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Posted: September 14 2009 at 15:50 |
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Two of my least favourite albums, but at least Talk is a unity, made by musicians with some commitment to the project. Plus: the first two songs of Talk are very good. So Talk it is for me.
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Blacksword
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Posted: September 14 2009 at 15:57 |
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Union was an unremarkable effort, it should have been blinding with all that Yes talent in one place!
Talk is the best of the Rabin Yes albums. No bad tracks, and Endless Dream is a Yes classic imo.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: September 14 2009 at 16:07 |
Talk by quite a long way.
But I agree...there is plenty ogf good stuff on Union too. Its a bit disjointed.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: September 14 2009 at 17:32 |
tdfloyd wrote:
Union is not as bad as it is made out to be. Not a big fan but its better than Talk. I'll have to go back and dig it out, I recently did that with Calling All Stations and now find it to be satisfactory. |
I keep my stuff in rotation even if something wasn't a big hit with me. Did you have to chase away a lot of spiders and blow a lot of dust off of it? I recently ordered a Face Value CD and after putting it in I'm left to wonder why I bothered with it again other than it being cheap. It does have a few good bits, but the pop moments really drag it down for me. Stack it up against some of the stuff I've been trying out recently and zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz..............zzzzzzzzz............zzzzzzzzz.......snork snork zzzzzzzzzzz......... awww crap! I just drooled all over myself
Edited by Slartibartfast - September 14 2009 at 17:39
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Todd
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Posted: September 14 2009 at 17:33 |
There are moments where Union works for me ("Masquerade," "Silent Talking," "Evensong"). I don't think it's as bad as often made out. Of course, I don't have the big label trickery baggage that Rick Wakeman and Bill Bruford read into their opinion of the album.
I'm still not convinced that Chris Squire actually plays on Talk. Even I could have played that "bass" (computer? keyboard?)
That being said, Talk is better for me than Union.
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Progosopher
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Posted: September 14 2009 at 17:42 |
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Union lacks cohesion overall, but where it's good it's very good. Talk works very well overall, and I agree with others that it's the best of Yes West. I thought Union needed a little more pull here.
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The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty"
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ghost_of_morphy
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Posted: September 14 2009 at 18:00 |
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Both are very uneven. Talk may be better but I actually listen to Union more. Talk bores me.
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Mind Drive
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Posted: September 14 2009 at 21:17 |
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Yes is my favorite group and has been for decades. This is a battle of two of the lower rated Yes albums but for me TALK is the worst album they ever did. Way over produced. The harmonies sound like 500 voices together. I want to hear Chris and Jon's voices in there but I can't. It is the only studion album by Yes that I never play anymore.
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Dellinger
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Posted: September 14 2009 at 21:55 |
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I can't quiet rate them as albums, because there are many songs I don't like in both of them. Yet, there are some songs I really like there too. Perhaps the one I love the most is Endless Dream, really beautiful song. However, I like Shock to the System and The More We Live, Let Go a lot.
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tdfloyd
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Posted: September 14 2009 at 22:08 |
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Close. I had to dig thru a bunch of boxes that have most of my CD's as I need to make some room for some of the 2nd , 3rd ..10th tier CD's. So the CD wasn't dusty but the box sure was!
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: September 14 2009 at 22:25 |
Sorry none of both...... IMHO YES didn't release a decent studio album after Drama...Well maybe The Ladder, but it's a hit and miss.
Iván
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Atykin
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Posted: September 15 2009 at 04:00 |
Talk definitely.
Union is interesting, Talk is an album. Maybe both disappointing as Yes-albums.
Listening to them as just records (hard, I know) I concluded that I like Talk more. Union could have been a better album, when it was better constructed and played.
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Sacred 22
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Posted: September 15 2009 at 04:04 |
For me Talk is the best album of the Rabin years and a hell of a lot better than Union of course. The one album from Yes that I don't own aside from Big Generator, although that album does have one song on it that really sums up society for the most part. "Aim High Shoot Low" 
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progkidjoel
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Posted: September 15 2009 at 04:06 |
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Both are alright, but TALK takes the cake.
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