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Poll Question: What music genre is the antipole of our beloved prog ?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote tszirmay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 21 2009 at 00:14
Well back in1977 , it was definitely punk, an outright media-fueled reaction to ELP, Yes, Tull and company and we know the rest (yet the Stranglers, Ultravox and Magazine among many others combined both genres). Today, I would say country. A progger living in Alberta, you know that I know how lonely I feel musically speaking!LOL Can't stand that Stetson drivel....Confused
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Originally posted by Soul Dreamer Soul Dreamer wrote:

Punk isn't the antithesis of prog. Punk may have started as a counter-movement, but more against the disco sound than against prog. Bands like the Stranglers quickly evolved into something very comparable to prog, while the punk movement soon gave way to  "new wave" which is very prog-related....
Nowadays IMO the antithesis of prog is rap/hip-hop... (I don't think it was in the '80)... Rap/hip-hop has become the lowest demenour of commercial "music" (I wouldn't even call it music, especially if it hits the charts...)
 
This would just about have been my answer, completely agree. Is this coincidence ?
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Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

The closest I can think of, is the rap in 'Roll the bones' by Rush
 
The one that comes to mind for me is Spitfall by Pain of Salvation. Excellent rap that is by the way Big smile
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I would vote for folk music because it's all about being old-fashioned and traditionalistic whereas progressive rock's about, well, progress... if it wasn't for Jethro Tull. LOL

Would pretty much agree with whomever said that it's kinda difficult for another genre to be prog rock's "foe" because the entire idea of prog rock is to combine rock'n'roll with other genres. That said, I've encountered much more reggae-bashing here than on any other forum I've ever visited.
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Originally posted by Toaster Mantis Toaster Mantis wrote:

I would vote for folk music because it's all about being old-fashioned and traditionalistic whereas progressive rock's about, well, progress... if it wasn't for Jethro Tull. LOL

Would pretty much agree with whomever said that it's kinda difficult for another genre to be prog rock's "foe" because the entire idea of prog rock is to combine rock'n'roll with other genres. That said, I've encountered much more reggae-bashing here than on any other forum I've ever visited.
I would have said reggaeton-bashing rather than reggae-bashing since many prog fans are reasonably tolerant of "real" reggae such as roots-reggae and dub-reggae (and some even like ska-reggae), yet merely mentioning reggaeton is guaranteed to raise the hackles of many of our South American members LOL
 
And Island was intially a reggae label (and Harvest was a Progressive Blues/Folk/Folk Rock label)
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I love reggae and used to work professionally with Jamaican musicians in California. Once you work with the source you hear the richness of the music, rather than the more superficial 'new wave' stateside version of reggae.

Once upon a time in the states long long ago, the same Gem catalouge carried nothing but hard to find prog-rock and the new reggae sound, unlikely brothers in the states from the word go.

I used to work with a North African artist who combined Pink Floyd styled space rock with reggae, very nice stuff, and allowed for mixing Richard Wright type electric piano styles with Prince Jammy psychedelic B3 dub styles, not worlds apart at all.

To me, Floyd's Meddle, Miles' Agharta and Prince Jammy are all coming from the same place, it's all about stopping time so we can move horizontally rather than always rushing ahead vertically, Bill Laswell and Brian Eno saw that early on and have built their respective careers on that idea.

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Yeah, I recently discovered reggae is something different than I expected. I bought a Horace Andy compilation from the discount box and it's amazing, especially the early 70s stuff. It doesn't even resemble Bob Marley (which I can't stand any more). I only bought it because he's a Massive Attack alumnus and boy, what a surprise!


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Tis a pity that 'Prog itself' is not an available option for the poll, as that's what I would vote. I can't imagine fans of punk, metal and reggae have the sorts of internecine bickering that we do on PA ?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Easy Money Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 21 2009 at 07:53
Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

Tis a pity that 'Prog itself' is not an available option for the poll, as that's what I would vote. I can't imagine fans of punk, metal and reggae have the sorts of internecine bickering that we do on PA ?


That reminds me, I was visiting a soul music site the other day and people were still arguing vehemently about the addition of Elvis even though he had been added about a year earlier, sound familiar
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Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:


Yeah, I recently discovered reggae is something different than I expected. I bought a Horace Andy compilation from the discount box and it's amazing, especially the early 70s stuff. It doesn't even resemble Bob Marley (which I can't stand any more). I only bought it because he's a Massive Attack alumnus and boy, what a surprise!



I'd take Horace Andy over Marley any day, it's almost sacrilege to say anything negative about Marley to some of the musical types I run with, but I find much of his music to be boring, although there are a couple that really move, and his percussionists and guitarists are incredible.

By the way, did you know prog-rock session kybdst Rabbit played on a couple classic Marley albums, that's his clavinet melodies you are hearing.
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There is no genre that is a 'foe' to prog, because prog can embrace anything into itself.

I voted for other. If prog got any foes, it's prog itself.


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Originally posted by Soul Dreamer Soul Dreamer wrote:

Punk isn't the antithesis of prog. Punk may have started as a counter-movement, but more against the disco sound than against prog. Bands like the Stranglers quickly evolved into something very comparable to prog, while the punk movement soon gave way to  "new wave" which is very prog-related....
Nowadays IMO the antithesis of prog is rap/hip-hop... (I don't think it was in the '80)... Rap/hip-hop has become the lowest demenour of commercial "music" (I wouldn't even call it music, especially if it hits the charts...)


How do you consider the Stranglers Punk?? Clearly they were at the forefront of what was to become the Electro-Pop movement. Just because they were on the music scene during the Punk movement doesn't mean they are a Punk band. Or is this one of those cases where Punk and Prog actually intersect in so much as each has a zillion sub-genres? I always put bands like the Sex Pistols, The Clash, Iggy and the Stooges and the Ramones as Punk. Bands like The Strangles, OMD, New Order, Our Daugther's Wedding or Depeche Mode are at the far edge of Punk IMHO.
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Originally posted by clarke2001 clarke2001 wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:


Moris dancing,

Surely you meant Boris dancing, didn't you?LOL
LOL always fun to see that again.
 
 
when I was typing that list I did wonder of you would spot the reference - what we need is a youtube clip of you dancing Wink
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Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

Tis a pity that 'Prog itself' is not an available option for the poll, as that's what I would vote. I can't imagine fans of punk, metal and reggae have the sorts of internecine bickering that we do on PA ?


Punk and metal probably have much more of it since I don't remember progressive rock having anywhere as much in the way of "scene politics".
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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

I would have said reggaeton-bashing rather than reggae-bashing since many prog fans are reasonably tolerant of "real" reggae such as roots-reggae and dub-reggae (and some even like ska-reggae), yet merely mentioning reggaeton is guaranteed to raise the hackles of many of our South American members LOL
 
And Island was intially a reggae label (and Harvest was a Progressive Blues/Folk/Folk Rock label)


Yeah, I knew that there's a lot of different reggae genres but I've seen a bit of bashing reggae just based on the more popular styles as well as a tendency to talk about dub as a separate genre from reggae. It looks like it's a similar thing with hip-hop.
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Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:


That reminds me, I was visiting a soul music site the other day and people were still arguing vehemently about the addition of Elvis even though he had been added about a year earlier, sound familiar


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Originally posted by Toaster Mantis Toaster Mantis wrote:

Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

Tis a pity that 'Prog itself' is not an available option for the poll, as that's what I would vote. I can't imagine fans of punk, metal and reggae have the sorts of internecine bickering that we do on PA ?


Punk and metal probably have much more of it since I don't remember progressive rock having anywhere as much in the way of "scene politics".


As I don't frequent Metal or Punk sites, you may be correct but ain't this principally because Prog does not have an easily identifiable uniform, look or attitude to conform to ?
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Punk would be the obvious choice, because Prog and Punk are, at their core, almost complete opposites.  Punk is meant to be short and simple, while Prog is meant to be long and complex.  That being said, I think the lines between Prog and Punk have been blurred a little.  For example, Captain Beefheart is on ProgArchives, and many Punk Bands cite him as an influence.  His songs are very short, but also innovative, so I think the two genres can merge from time to time.  You could also say the same for David Bowie.
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Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

Originally posted by Soul Dreamer Soul Dreamer wrote:

Punk isn't the antithesis of prog. Punk may have started as a counter-movement, but more against the disco sound than against prog. Bands like the Stranglers quickly evolved into something very comparable to prog, while the punk movement soon gave way to  "new wave" which is very prog-related....
Nowadays IMO the antithesis of prog is rap/hip-hop... (I don't think it was in the '80)... Rap/hip-hop has become the lowest demenour of commercial "music" (I wouldn't even call it music, especially if it hits the charts...)


How do you consider the Stranglers Punk?? Clearly they were at the forefront of what was to become the Electro-Pop movement. Just because they were on the music scene during the Punk movement doesn't mean they are a Punk band. Or is this one of those cases where Punk and Prog actually intersect in so much as each has a zillion sub-genres? I always put bands like the Sex Pistols, The Clash, Iggy and the Stooges and the Ramones as Punk. Bands like The Strangles, OMD, New Order, Our Daugther's Wedding or Depeche Mode are at the far edge of Punk IMHO.


Rattus Norvegicus and No More Heroes were "real" punk albums by The Stranglers, after that they moved on....
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