What genre is prog's foe ?

Soul Dreamer wrote: Punk isn't the antithesis of prog. Punk may have started as a counter-movement, but more against the disco sound than against prog. Bands like the Stranglers quickly evolved into something very comparable to prog, while the punk movement soon gave way to  "new wave" which is very prog-related.... Nowadays IMO the antithesis of prog is rap/hip-hop... (I don't think it was in the '80)... Rap/hip-hop has become the lowest demenour of commercial "music" (I wouldn't even call it music, especially if it hits the charts...)

I would vote for folk music because it's all about being old-fashioned and traditionalistic whereas progressive rock's about, well, progress... if it wasn't for Jethro Tull.

Would pretty much agree with whomever said that it's kinda difficult for another genre to be prog rock's "foe" because the entire idea of prog rock is to combine rock'n'roll with other genres. That said, I've encountered much more reggae-bashing here than on any other forum I've ever visited.

I love reggae and used to work professionally with Jamaican musicians in California. Once you work with the source you hear the richness of the music, rather than the more superficial 'new wave' stateside version of reggae.

Once upon a time in the states long long ago, the same Gem catalouge carried nothing but hard to find prog-rock and the new reggae sound, unlikely brothers in the states from the word go.

I used to work with a North African artist who combined Pink Floyd styled space rock with reggae, very nice stuff, and allowed for mixing Richard Wright type electric piano styles with Prince Jammy psychedelic B3 dub styles, not worlds apart at all.

To me, Floyd's Meddle, Miles' Agharta and Prince Jammy are all coming from the same place, it's all about stopping time so we can move horizontally rather than always rushing ahead vertically, Bill Laswell and Brian Eno saw that early on and have built their respective careers on that idea.

Edited by Easy Money - November 21 2009 at 07:51

Tis a pity that 'Prog itself' is not an available option for the poll, as that's what I would vote. I can't imagine fans of punk, metal and reggae have the sorts of internecine bickering that we do on PA ?

harmonium.ro wrote: Yeah, I recently discovered reggae is something different than I expected. I bought a Horace Andy compilation from the discount box and it's amazing, especially the early 70s stuff. It doesn't even resemble Bob Marley (which I can't stand any more). I only bought it because he's a Massive Attack alumnus and boy, what a surprise!

I'd take Horace Andy over Marley any day, it's almost sacrilege to say anything negative about Marley to some of the musical types I run with, but I find much of his music to be boring, although there are a couple that really move, and his percussionists and guitarists are incredible.

By the way, did you know prog-rock session kybdst Rabbit played on a couple classic Marley albums, that's his clavinet melodies you are hearing.

Dean wrote: /cut/ relaxation discs, whale songs, wind chimes, /cut/

AAAAAAAAAAARRRGGGHHHHHH!!!I don't have an emoticon gory enough for this.

Dean wrote: Moris dancing,

Surely you meant Boris dancing, didn't you?

clarke2001 wrote: Dean wrote: Moris dancing, Surely you meant Boris dancing, didn't you?

Dean wrote: I would have said reggaeton-bashing rather than reggae-bashing since many prog fans are reasonably tolerant of "real" reggae such as roots-reggae and dub-reggae (and some even like ska-reggae), yet merely mentioning reggaeton is guaranteed to raise the hackles of many of our South American members   And Island was intially a reggae label (and Harvest was a Progressive Blues/Folk/Folk Rock label)

Yeah, I knew that there's a lot of different reggae genres but I've seen a bit of bashing reggae just based on the more popular styles as well as a tendency to talk about dub as a separate genre from reggae. It looks like it's a similar thing with hip-hop.

Toaster Mantis wrote: ExittheLemming wrote: Tis a pity that 'Prog itself' is not an available option for the poll, as that's what I would vote. I can't imagine fans of punk, metal and reggae have the sorts of internecine bickering that we do on PA ? Punk and metal probably have much more of it since I don't remember progressive rock having anywhere as much in the way of "scene politics".

As I don't frequent Metal or Punk sites, you may be correct but ain't this principally because Prog does not have an easily identifiable uniform, look or attitude to conform to ?

JD wrote: Soul Dreamer wrote: Punk isn't the antithesis of prog. Punk may have started as a counter-movement, but more against the disco sound than against prog. Bands like the Stranglers quickly evolved into something very comparable to prog, while the punk movement soon gave way to  "new wave" which is very prog-related.... Nowadays IMO the antithesis of prog is rap/hip-hop... (I don't think it was in the '80)... Rap/hip-hop has become the lowest demenour of commercial "music" (I wouldn't even call it music, especially if it hits the charts...) How do you consider the Stranglers Punk?? Clearly they were at the forefront of what was to become the Electro-Pop movement. Just because they were on the music scene during the Punk movement doesn't mean they are a Punk band. Or is this one of those cases where Punk and Prog actually intersect in so much as each has a zillion sub-genres? I always put bands like the Sex Pistols, The Clash, Iggy and the Stooges and the Ramones as Punk. Bands like The Strangles, OMD, New Order, Our Daugther's Wedding or Depeche Mode are at the far edge of Punk IMHO.

Rattus Norvegicus and No More Heroes were "real" punk albums by The Stranglers, after that they moved on....