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tszirmay ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: August 17 2006 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 6673 |
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Well back in1977 , it was definitely punk, an outright media-fueled reaction to ELP, Yes, Tull and company and we know the rest (yet the Stranglers, Ultravox and Magazine among many others combined both genres). Today, I would say country. A progger living in Alberta, you know that I know how lonely I feel musically speaking!
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progrules ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: September 14 2007 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 958 |
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This would just about have been my answer, completely agree. Is this coincidence ?
What country were you from, Jan ?
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progrules ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: September 14 2007 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 958 |
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The one that comes to mind for me is Spitfall by Pain of Salvation. Excellent rap that is by the way
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Toaster Mantis ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 12 2008 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 5898 |
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I would vote for folk music because it's all about being old-fashioned and traditionalistic whereas progressive rock's about, well, progress... if it wasn't for Jethro Tull.
![]() Would pretty much agree with whomever said that it's kinda difficult for another genre to be prog rock's "foe" because the entire idea of prog rock is to combine rock'n'roll with other genres. That said, I've encountered much more reggae-bashing here than on any other forum I've ever visited. |
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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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![]() And Island was intially a reggae label (and Harvest was a Progressive Blues/Folk/Folk Rock label)
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Easy Money ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 11 2007 Location: Memphis Status: Offline Points: 10739 |
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I love reggae and used to work professionally with Jamaican musicians in California. Once you work with the source you hear the richness of the music, rather than the more superficial 'new wave' stateside version of reggae.
Once upon a time in the states long long ago, the same Gem catalouge carried nothing but hard to find prog-rock and the new reggae sound, unlikely brothers in the states from the word go. I used to work with a North African artist who combined Pink Floyd styled space rock with reggae, very nice stuff, and allowed for mixing Richard Wright type electric piano styles with Prince Jammy psychedelic B3 dub styles, not worlds apart at all. To me, Floyd's Meddle, Miles' Agharta and Prince Jammy are all coming from the same place, it's all about stopping time so we can move horizontally rather than always rushing ahead vertically, Bill Laswell and Brian Eno saw that early on and have built their respective careers on that idea. Edited by Easy Money - November 21 2009 at 07:51 |
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harmonium.ro ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 18 2008 Location: Anna Calvi Status: Offline Points: 22989 |
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Yeah, I recently discovered reggae is something different than I expected. I bought a Horace Andy compilation from the discount box and it's amazing, especially the early 70s stuff. It doesn't even resemble Bob Marley (which I can't stand any more). I only bought it because he's a Massive Attack alumnus and boy, what a surprise!
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ExittheLemming ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 19 2007 Location: Penal Colony Status: Offline Points: 11420 |
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Tis a pity that 'Prog itself' is not an available option for the poll, as that's what I would vote. I can't imagine fans of punk, metal and reggae have the sorts of internecine bickering that we do on PA ?
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That reminds me, I was visiting a soul music site the other day and people were still arguing vehemently about the addition of Elvis even though he had been added about a year earlier, sound familiar ![]() |
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Easy Money ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 11 2007 Location: Memphis Status: Offline Points: 10739 |
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I'd take Horace Andy over Marley any day, it's almost sacrilege to say anything negative about Marley to some of the musical types I run with, but I find much of his music to be boring, although there are a couple that really move, and his percussionists and guitarists are incredible. By the way, did you know prog-rock session kybdst Rabbit played on a couple classic Marley albums, that's his clavinet melodies you are hearing. |
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There is no genre that is a 'foe' to prog, because prog can embrace anything into itself. I voted for other. If prog got any foes, it's prog itself. Edited by clarke2001 - November 21 2009 at 08:46 |
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AAAAAAAAAAARRRGGGHHHHHH!!! ![]()
Surely you meant Boris dancing, didn't you? ![]() |
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JD ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 07 2009 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 18446 |
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How do you consider the Stranglers Punk?? Clearly they were at the forefront of what was to become the Electro-Pop movement. Just because they were on the music scene during the Punk movement doesn't mean they are a Punk band. Or is this one of those cases where Punk and Prog actually intersect in so much as each has a zillion sub-genres? I always put bands like the Sex Pistols, The Clash, Iggy and the Stooges and the Ramones as Punk. Bands like The Strangles, OMD, New Order, Our Daugther's Wedding or Depeche Mode are at the far edge of Punk IMHO. |
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![]() when I was typing that list I did wonder of you would spot the reference - what we need is a youtube clip of you dancing
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Toaster Mantis ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 12 2008 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 5898 |
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Punk and metal probably have much more of it since I don't remember progressive rock having anywhere as much in the way of "scene politics". |
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Toaster Mantis ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 12 2008 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 5898 |
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Yeah, I knew that there's a lot of different reggae genres but I've seen a bit of bashing reggae just based on the more popular styles as well as a tendency to talk about dub as a separate genre from reggae. It looks like it's a similar thing with hip-hop. |
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now that's funny |
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ExittheLemming ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 19 2007 Location: Penal Colony Status: Offline Points: 11420 |
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As I don't frequent Metal or Punk sites, you may be correct but ain't this principally because Prog does not have an easily identifiable uniform, look or attitude to conform to ? |
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UndercoverBoy ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 10 2009 Location: Tulsa, OK, U.S. Status: Offline Points: 5148 |
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Punk would be the obvious choice, because Prog and Punk are, at their core, almost complete opposites. Punk is meant to be short and simple, while Prog is meant to be long and complex. That being said, I think the lines between Prog and Punk have been blurred a little. For example, Captain Beefheart is on ProgArchives, and many Punk Bands cite him as an influence. His songs are very short, but also innovative, so I think the two genres can merge from time to time. You could also say the same for David Bowie.
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Rattus Norvegicus and No More Heroes were "real" punk albums by The Stranglers, after that they moved on.... |
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