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Textbook ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: October 08 2009 Status: Offline Points: 3281 |
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Ya'll need to check out G Prokofiev's "Concerto For Turntables & Orchestra", recorded by DJ Yoda & The Heritage Orchestra.
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Marty McFly ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 23 2009 Location: Czech Republic Status: Offline Points: 3968 |
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I think there is Czech band Gipsy.cz who are Romani people doing Hip-hop music influenced by Romani music, which means Eastern influences as well. Check them here: |
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There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless,"
-Andyman1125 on Lulu ![]() Even my |
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octopus-4 ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() RIO/Avant/Zeuhl,Neo & Post/Math Teams Joined: October 31 2006 Location: Italy Status: Online Points: 14910 |
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The problem is hip hop/Rap is now almost defunct. For you is a problem, for me it's a good thing. We just think differently, I dont think that I'm right and you are wrong. Only this is not hiphoparchives.com
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I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution
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WalterDigsTunes ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: September 11 2007 Location: SanDiegoTijuana Status: Offline Points: 4373 |
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Hey, remember the time Kanye stole from King Crimson and Sunshine Band?
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Chris S ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: June 09 2004 Location: Front Range Status: Offline Points: 7028 |
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![]() ![]() ![]() The problem is hip hop/Rap is now almost defunct. The crap the kids are hearing these days are real pseudo version of krumping and clowning and the crap like Outkast, Beyonce, Kylie Minogue, Pop Idol all sound the same. BUT I have seen some really good revived motown.
Check out some of Kanye West's stuff, pretty good!
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...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
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Chris S ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: June 09 2004 Location: Front Range Status: Offline Points: 7028 |
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...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
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octopus-4 ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() RIO/Avant/Zeuhl,Neo & Post/Math Teams Joined: October 31 2006 Location: Italy Status: Online Points: 14910 |
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I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution
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octopus-4 ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() RIO/Avant/Zeuhl,Neo & Post/Math Teams Joined: October 31 2006 Location: Italy Status: Online Points: 14910 |
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I couldn't agree more
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I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution
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Ivan_Melgar_M ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19557 |
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In first place, what ELP does is not sampling, you can call it cover if you want, but musicians playing instruments is not the same as a guy with a recorder adding some basic percussion patterns to the music created and performed by others In second place, I always wonder why people feel free to come to a Prog site ad say phrases like ELP is pompous crap or Rick Wakeman made that infamous Arthur on Ice, or even worst "All retro Prog is crap", and nobody says a word. But if in the same Prog site somebody says that he/she doesn't like Rap or Hip Hop, we are middle age ignorant who don't accept that music has to change. Yes, I'm middle age, but for me sampling is not making music,, it's stealing what real musicians did (As far as I know is very common not to pay royalties), but covers are a valid form of music, just listen guys like Manfred Mann with the Earth Band making a cover of "Blinded by the Light" by Bruce Springsteen (After paying royalties), they create a new, different song, which IMO is much better than the original. Guys like Emerson had enough respect to go to Ginastera's house to play his Tocatta version before him and received the blessing of the composer who found the track amazing, before even daring to release Brain Salad Surgery,. There's a huge difference, but at the end, we are free to like what we want and dislike what we want too, accept it. Iván Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - September 05 2010 at 19:28 |
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yanch ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 03 2010 Location: Lowell, MA Status: Offline Points: 3247 |
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I feel the same way. It does nothing for me at all. The other issue I have is the need for Hip-Hop artists to sample other people's work directly. It's one thing to be heavily influenced by other musicians and genres and write music that has similar qualities-we see a lot of that in prog. But to sample sections of another persons work and use it in your work is not talented and not original. It's just cutting and pasting, not originating. One last comment-I know many artists, including prog bands, may slip in a riff from another band in a song. The difference-it's usually a quick one-time homage and then it's gone. Most of these Hip-Hop tracks have the sample repeating several times during a track-that's just a rip-off and not very original or talented IMHO.
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Manuel ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 09 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 13481 |
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I have no knowlegle or hip-hop or rap, since everytime I've tried to listen to it, I've found it quite boring. I don't understand why sampling someone else's music is a cool thing. Why not write your own music and sing/rap to it? Anyways, I must be old fashioned (and old too), but when an artist writes, arranges, orchestrates and performs his/her own music, then I will be interested. I'm sure some hip-hop artists write some of their material, but I haven't found something that appeals to me.
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octopus-4 ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() RIO/Avant/Zeuhl,Neo & Post/Math Teams Joined: October 31 2006 Location: Italy Status: Online Points: 14910 |
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I'm close to 50 too. I'm old enough to have had the possibility to see what the majors have always done against art. Since Jackson 5, through Bee Gees, then boy bands and so on. It's not question of Comics and novels. It's question of music and something else. Hip-hop can be a different kind of art, maybe, but it doesn't have anything to do with music. In addition I'm old enough to feel the urge to rush in listening all the things that I like, so I can't waste time on people dancing and speaking over a 4/4 tempo regardless the samples behind. You have all the right to like it, but this site is not the right place.
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I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution
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friso ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: October 24 2007 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 2506 |
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I'm twenty-one and I just finished my teenage years. I've always disliked the 'status'-element of the songs, the fact it is music without any instruments played, the negative attention of the rappers, the self-pity, the 'social criticism' by rappers who are villains themselves, etc. Sounding cool is not enough. I want to hear art. |
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Formentera Lady ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 20 2010 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 1840 |
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It is nice that hip hop artists seem to be inspired by prog rock. Still I think that just sampling a song and repeating a sample all the time is not a prog rock criteria.
Of course, hip hop may be entertaining. The following I like, but only because it combines hip hop with traditional east european music. |
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The Hemulen ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 31 2004 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 5964 |
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Too late. http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=15232 |
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Snow Dog ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 23 2005 Location: Caerdydd Status: Offline Points: 32995 |
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I can say with authority that I have no interest whatsoever in "Hippety Hop". |
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CCVP ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: September 15 2007 Location: Vitória, Brasil Status: Offline Points: 7971 |
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Hanna Montana and Lady Gaga are'nt the only ones that have rabid fanb0is and fangurlz. ![]() Edited by CCVP - September 05 2010 at 05:55 |
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fuxi ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: March 08 2006 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 2488 |
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There's too much empty rage here against hip-hop. I'm not exactly an admirer of the genre (the only hip-hop album I ever bought was the one by the Fugees, if that counts!) but I can tell that many hip-hop tracks are MASSIVELY entertaining. If I were a teenager looking for thrills, I'd have hip-hop tracks on my ipod too! Middle-aged prog fans raging against rap remind me of my grandparents informing me that comic strips are inferior to "real" novels. ![]() (And I'm writing these things as a fifty year old.) |
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friso ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: October 24 2007 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 2506 |
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Ok. They stole music and now you want us to say hip-hip is innovative, or has some quality? This is hard to understand.
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CCVP ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: September 15 2007 Location: Vitória, Brasil Status: Offline Points: 7971 |
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Isn't he still releasing albums? ![]() BTW, the first 4 Dream Theater albums and some after (Train of Thought and anotehr i can't remember) have a huge hip hop influence, both on the lyrics and the way the songs are sung. The songs LIE (from the album Awake) and Honor Thy Father (Train of Thought) are prime examples of that. |
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