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Textbook 
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 Topic: Kanye West- Album Of The YearPosted: January 07 2011 at 18:52 |
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Kanye's new LP, My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy has been ranked as the best of the year by Pitchfork, Rolling Stone, Slant, Billboard, Time, Spin, Metacritic, The AV Club and The Washington Post. (The Guardian gave it #2.) It's in the top ten of many other publications and it's also #1 on Rateyourmusic, the biggest aggregator of public opinion of music. And just to be clear, these are *all-genre* lists, not best rap album lists.
I don't think I've ever seen a wider consensus on the album of the year. Particularly striking is that the album only came out in November, usually when other albums have had more time to settle in and lock it down.
Now I know that PA has a lot of grumpy old dinosaurs on it who will rubbish this without having heard it because it's rap music, and will be bitter as history moves on and leaves their limited aesthetic range behind, but if they gave it a chance, they might be pleased to see that it is progressive rap music. (Progressive relative to what is normal for rap music at least.)
Anyway, whether you like West or not, this huge consensus is unusual so he's done something right to get both the public and the critics in such agreement. Edited by Textbook - January 07 2011 at 19:01 |
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Snow Dog
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Posted: January 07 2011 at 18:54 |
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I must admit you are correct. I don't really care.
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Posted: January 07 2011 at 18:56 |
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Sorry, but I just got the album. Will be gicing impressions in a while. I mean, it HAS to have something...
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stonebeard
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Posted: January 07 2011 at 19:05 |
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It's pretty good, but sags a lot in the middle. Monster, especially is a bit dumb and long. Devil in a New Dress and So Appalled, too, are kinda meh. I gave it a 3.5/5.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: January 07 2011 at 19:13 |
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If I get a chance I'll give it a go. My curiosity is piqued. Spotify maybe?
Hey is that a bit of Jon Anderson at the beginning? Edited by Snow Dog - January 07 2011 at 19:17 |
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Textbook
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Posted: January 07 2011 at 19:18 |
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Gorgeous and Runaway stunned me.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: January 07 2011 at 19:19 |
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Pity he is such a dick.
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: January 07 2011 at 19:22 |
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It doesn't matter, I think we won't be hearing from him again anytime soon. I started to watch the really long video, but it was too long. I don't care enough to investigate further. I would dispute, however, that the consensus is unprecedented. Perhaps not as much, but Merriweather Post Pavilion was similarly hyped, not to mention Kid A. Edited by Henry Plainview - January 07 2011 at 19:28 |
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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WalterDigsTunes
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Posted: January 07 2011 at 19:23 |
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Nah. The album of the year was Hendrix's "West Coast Seattle Boy." That one features (gasp) actual musicianship!
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Snow Dog
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Posted: January 07 2011 at 19:26 |
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Good news if it turns out to be true. I'm on the second track Gorgeous but this is definitely not my thing. Bit bored now.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: January 07 2011 at 19:27 |
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High Five!
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: January 07 2011 at 19:35 |
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It's not, The Onion is a satire site... Also, I suspect a big reason Kanye has a higher rating than Animal Collective on RYM is because he doesn't have all the hipster haters one starring him. Hipsters tend to be more deferential, so they can appear more open-minded and thus superior, so they don't one star something just because of the genre. |
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Snow Dog
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Posted: January 07 2011 at 19:37 |
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Sorry..I didn't notice your link was The Onion.
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Textbook
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Posted: January 07 2011 at 19:37 |
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HP: Kid A's status is retroactive. At the time, a lot of people hated it.
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: January 07 2011 at 19:46 |
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I was under the impression it was critically acclaimed at the time as well, it just took time for it to get through to the non-hipsters, but I wasn't paying attention at the time so I am probably wrong. |
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Snow Dog
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Posted: January 07 2011 at 19:49 |
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I seem to remember very positive reviews.
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: January 07 2011 at 20:03 |
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Isn't that review from The Guardian which gave it a 0 back in 2000 one of the most famous negative reviews of recent times? Let me look for it. |
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: January 07 2011 at 20:05 |
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I have to listen to it some more, but I think The College Dropout is much better.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: January 07 2011 at 20:14 |
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Here's the Kid A review I was talking about: http://www.followmearound.com/presscuttings.php?year=2000&cutting=85
And here's the same author writing about it after 10 years: http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/musicblog/2010/oct/11/radiohead-kid-a-10-years |
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angelmk
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Posted: January 07 2011 at 21:17 |
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Is there something such as ''progressive rap'' ? - never heard of it, i doubt rap can be progressive in any sense, but you puzzled me with this Kanye West album, i don't think i will like it, but i will give it a spin sometimes
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