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rogerthat ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: September 03 2006 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 9869 |
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That's exactly how I stopped checking up for new metal music. I just don't have the energy to sift through the imitators for the odd one or two good bands. Also, because metalheads tend to like the imitators (because, f*** it's metal), it makes it that much harder to get recommendations for better bands. |
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holy ghost ![]() Forum Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: November 24 2009 Location: Hogtown Status: Offline Points: 50 |
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I think...... you look at metal-archives.com and they've got what, 50,000 bands on the database, and you're just like, forget it, but then you find something truly special like Reverend Bizarre, Negative Plane, Portal or Vektor (even if they're basically a straight up Voivod worship outfit ha ha) and there's a lot of great stuff out there..... but you have to filter through a lot of crap to find it....... with contemporary punk I haven't found anything in the last decade that makes me feel that same feeling when I first heard Pay To Cum or Horror Business....... but that's just me....... and breaking it down, I've been listening to metal for way longer than punk and I still find (some) elements of it exciting.........
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CPicard ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 03 2008 Location: Là, sui monti. Status: Offline Points: 10841 |
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Funnily, that's what I could feel with metal nowadays. I On the other hand, I wonder if the contemporary spectrum of metal isn't more interesting than the contemporary spectrum of punk? |
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Slartibartfast ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / In Memoriam Joined: April 29 2006 Location: Atlantais Status: Offline Points: 29630 |
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I'm going to have to stick a safety pin in one of my cheeks and get back to you. Maybe each cheek and my butt cheeks while I'm at it On second thought maybe not...
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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holy ghost ![]() Forum Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: November 24 2009 Location: Hogtown Status: Offline Points: 50 |
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Punk dominated all listening during my teen years and while I have a soft spot for some of it (especially Bad Brains, DRI, Misfits, Black Flag, Television, Finnish hardcore like Riistetyt, Larm, Heresy, Ripcord, BGK The Germs, Angry Samoans, X-Ray Spex, etc) it's something that I find so stagnant, mired in scene drama and generally dull at this point for me personally..... that being said I owe a lot to it turning me on to other great genres of music and some great times as a teenager, but I'm 99% skeptical when someone suggests I check out some contemporary band...... nothing wrong with "sounding exactly like _______" but don't expect me to purchase your record........
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seventhsojourn ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 11 2009 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 4006 |
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Not what I would call punk, but according to Wikipedia:
''Hynde, originally from Akron, Ohio, attended Kent State University at the time of the Kent State shootings in 1970. She moved to London in 1973, working at the weekly music paper, NME,[1] and at Malcolm McLaren and Vivienne Westwood's SEX store. She was involved with early versions of The Clash and The Damned,''
Didn't know all that till today
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Snow Dog ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 23 2005 Location: Caerdydd Status: Offline Points: 32995 |
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The Pretenders.....Punk?
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Seyo ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: May 08 2004 Location: Bosnia Status: Offline Points: 1320 |
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Punk was a progressive rock movement of the late 1970s. It progressed beyond the ideologically empty and excessively show-biz related mainstream rock of the time and opened up a vast space for new wave and post punk experimentation of the early 1980s, thus re-discovering a true artistic "prog" spirit of late 1960s.
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Pastor Rex Cat ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 28 2010 Location: Western Canada Status: Offline Points: 2205 |
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And I like Steely Dan.
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This is from the early era of punk.
Mature Audience!
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Pastor Rex Cat ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 28 2010 Location: Western Canada Status: Offline Points: 2205 |
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Hey! Count me in too!
First punk album I owned was The Pretenders and not just because of the hit single Brass In Pocket, but it was The Plasmatics and The Sex Pistols who really made me a fan. Edited by Pastor Rex Cat - January 12 2011 at 22:39 |
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richardh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 30282 |
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Punk was to some extent a lie anyway. The idea that bad musicians are better than good musicians is a fallacy. All the best punk musicians were at a decent level they just were'nt at the level of a Howe or Emerson.Therefore punk killed itself with an idea that simply couldn't be followed through on. Not everyone could just pick up an instrument and start a band. New Wave was a sensible evolution of punk that didn't really have any axe to grind with prog. When you look at XTC,Siouxsie and The Banshees later stuff and The Police they certainly had things in common with prog even if they didn't have 20 min tracks with organ solos. Edited by richardh - January 12 2011 at 02:11 |
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Ivan_Melgar_M ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19557 |
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Of course Prog never went out completely, what I said is that in the 90's Prog came back with the same values as the ones in the golden era. Neo Prog was a different form of Prog, as valid as early Symphonic but blended with mainstream, but the pure Prog with little if any mainstream influences came back with strength with bands like Anglagard and Par Lindh, who wrote and performed Prog in the vein of the pioneers. Iván
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Tarquin Underspoon ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 12 2009 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 1416 |
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Well, at least one of them does.
As for punk? I don't much care for it, but I consider the new wave stuff from the late 70s very interesting and immeasurably important.
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"WAAAAAAOOOOOUGH! WAAAAAAAUUUUGGHHHH!! WAAAAAOOOO!!!"
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WalterDigsTunes ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: September 11 2007 Location: SanDiegoTijuana Status: Offline Points: 4373 |
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No, prog was back in the 80s with neo-prog bands like Marillion and IQ espousing crisp digital production values in addition to excellent musicianship. By the 90s, prog was truly dead as new bands like Anglagard decided to feebly imitate 70s methods and sounds. Absolutely regressive post-89 foolishness; no modern group has been able to produce anything except xerox copies or nonsensical antimusic.
Thankfully, classic artists like King Crimson and Marillion keep the fire burning! |
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Ivan_Melgar_M ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19557 |
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As John said, Punk didn't kill Prog, the first Symphonic golden era was already in decline before the summer of 77 when Punk became a fashion. ELP had almost split in 74, Genesis had lost Gabriel and started to loose fans, Relayer was the last Yes album for 3 years, Wakeman's career was full of ups and downs after Myths & Legends, even King Crimson vanished from 74 to 1981, few bands like Pink Floyd kept releasing quality albums. The hippie generation (where Prog started) had already 28 or 30 years and were joining the system to work, and the new generation wanted something different, so a hiatus could be expected. Plus lets be honest, classic Punk lasted too little to kill anybody, what came after 77 and 78 was anything but pure Punk, they blended with Pop to create New Wave and kept evolving but at the same time loosing their original violence and aggressiveness that made the Punk bands popular. The real monster that devoured everything was Disco Music. After a decade, Prog was back with bands as Anglagard and Par Lindh Project that rescued the golden era values while Punk kept changing to a point where ...well was not Punk anymore (At least in my opinion). Iván
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himtroy ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 20 2009 Status: Offline Points: 1601 |
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I don't dislike it for it's mythological assault on prog, I just dislike it because it's tasteless and poorly performed. Honestly, if a punk band plays in a not sloppy as hell fashion it doesn't sound like punk, it just sounds like pop music. On top of this I've never heard an entire genre so consistently depraved of feel and originality. That being said there are punk bands that are more towards usual rock (The Clash and whatnot) who, while too poppy for me, don't deserve to be grouped in with some of the garbage.
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lucas ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 06 2004 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 8138 |
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^
this is not punk.
But this is very good music.
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"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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A B Negative ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 02 2006 Location: Methil Republic Status: Offline Points: 1594 |
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"The disgusting stink of a too-loud electric guitar.... Now, that's my idea of a good time."
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