think of Rush as a simple rock band who liked to expand a bit, there's not much more to it

Kati wrote: Oh no, ok I don't know much about Rush therefore please give me an example of an eclectic track of theirs? I honestly have to read this twice everytime because eclectic seems so far fetch in terms of RUSH.

A band doesn't have to play a song with more than one style to be considered eclectic. Changing style from one track, or album, to the next counts too!

Sumdeus wrote: all this recent generalized hate for country music is making me wonder if Johnny Cash isn't as well known as I thought he was... I mean, i think contemporary country is as worthless as most of you do, but f**kin' Cash, man... I can never make any generalizations about country anymore, because f**kin' Cash, man.

all this recent generalized hate for country music is making me wonder if Johnny Cash isn't as well known as I thought he was... I mean, i think contemporary country is as worthless as most of you do, but f**kin' Cash, man... I can never make any generalizations about country anymore, because f**kin' Cash, man.

geneyesontle wrote: Heavy Prog is their country, and Rush is the president of this country. If they move away from this country, heavy prog would lose the most important members of their governement. So NO WAY !!! Listen to Gentle Giant's music and tell me Rush is not Eclectic Prog.

Oh no, ok I don't know much about Rush therefore please give me an example of an eclectic track of theirs? I honestly have to read this twice everytime because eclectic seems so far fetch in terms of RUSH.

ProgMetaller2112 wrote: Rush is one of those bands who is not afraid of experimenting even if it means losing fans in the process. Their music has always practically been hard to categorize, they are Hard Rock and Metal and Progressive Rock all in one. Yet they also incorporate elements of Reggae, New Wave, Synth Rock and even Alternative Rock and Pop Rock into their sound. My question to you is. Would you consider them Eclectic??? Because the term Heavy Prog makes it seem as if they are always heavy and that's not always the case.

ProgMetaller2112 wrote: richardh wrote: ProgMetaller2112 wrote: richardh wrote: I think they've reinvented themselves on at least 3 occasions. Heavy prog does not adequately describe 2112 , Farewell To KIngs or Hemispheres which are much closer to symhonic prog than heavy metal in my opinion. In the eighties they actually became closer to Art Rock or even sometimes described as 'Techno Rock'. For about Roll The Bones onwards they fit the heavy prog category pretty well although the prog element as disappeared over time imo. Overall if you look at their origins and then take the later albums the soul of the band is as a heavy prog band. They rule that category. If you put them in eclectic prog then presumably they go toe to toe with King Crimson and Gentle Giant. Symphonic Prog , Rush is one of the founders of Progressive Metal, I would argue that their music is Progressive Metal, listen to The Necromancer, 2112 is that Symphonic Prog, and you didn't spell Symphonic right. I would consider everything they did from Fly By Night to Hemispheres  Prog Metal or the beginnings of it. In the eighties they actually became closer to Art Rock , many would argue that Art Rock is Prog Rock. For about Roll The Bones onwards they fit the heavy prog category pretty well although the prog element as disappeared over time imo , The proggy elements have always been there with them, it's just the way they play , it doesn't feel right for them not to play complicated pieces If you put them in eclectic prog then presumably they go toe to toe with King Crimson and Gentle Giant. yeah and  they are just as good as those two bands probably even better  I didn't bother to correct my spelling as that 'edited at blah blah' thing at the bottom of the page is always irrititating. In any case it was actually a typo   I always assumed 'Art Rock' to be more about songs than long peices but had a quick look on the internet and its not that straightforward http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/36651/art-rock I guess I got it wrong by using the term 'art rock' but what I was trying to get at was that in the 80's Rush left behind the complexity without losing the artistic qualities in their music. From 90's onwards they became a lot more straightforward and concentrated on just writing songs but retaining heavy qualities. I have no problem with that btw and rate Vapor Trails highly.   I am a fan and would argue that hardly anything they did could be called 'prog metal'. They likely influenced prog metal bands but then so did many other prog bands .Rush were from a heavy rock background and no more a metal band than Led Zep or Deep Purple. The origins of prog metal come from metal. This would be Iron Maiden , Mettalica and so forth. If you are going back before then perhaps Led Zep 'Achilles Last Stand' was a starting point?   As good as Gentle Giant and King Crimson? Rush smoke both those bands for sheer power but I think those other bands were drawing on a much wider base of influences that went beyond other prog bands. Rush were influenced by King Crimson among others not vice versa.   Disclaimer - apologies for any typo's in the above caused by having chubby ageing fingers. (However I do accept that grammatical errors are down to my lack of intelligence and/or education )         where do you think Maiden and Metallica got some influences, from Prog Rock bands sure but Rush was one of them, too

yes but that doesn't change the fact that Rush never fused metal and prog because they were never a metal band. Iron Maiden started from metal and introduced prog elements. Rush were a heavy rock band that liked King Crimson (among others) and then expanded their sound  ( I gather they expected 2112 to be their last album release and never anticipated its massive worldwide success). For me Rush were the last massively successfull prog band on a global scale. One of the 'big six' (ELP,Yes,Genesis, Tull and King Crimson being the others - Floyd were not then considered a prog band!). As the most guitar orientated and heaviest its inevitable they have influenced a host of prog metal bands. They hardly created the template for it though.

ProgMetaller2112 wrote: Snow Dog wrote: Heavy prog is a nonsense genre anyway. But so is eclectic. But if it is so, yes, why not Eclectic? nonsense, neither are nonsense genres they're Prog

I think that was just dry humor.

Edited by Dayvenkirq - January 08 2013 at 23:25