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tamijo ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 06 2009 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 4287 |
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I got no clue what that Prog thing is or is not, but i love some of the stuf he did.
NB: Funny enough he sings co-lead with Alice Cooper on the album Billion Dollar Babies.
Great track.
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Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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kenethlevine ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Prog-Folk Team Joined: December 06 2006 Location: New England Status: Offline Points: 9168 |
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psych pop IMO, very very good psych pop
But I can't comment on his early to mid 1970s work which might have incorporated more prog Edited by kenethlevine - October 14 2014 at 07:52 |
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Friday13th ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 30 2013 Status: Offline Points: 284 |
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Once again, SteveG surprises us all with his inciteful questioning of artists panned as not prog. Skeptics, he is right on target. I had heard Donovan for his connection with the Beatles and Nick Drake, but as I scrolled through his songs on itunes today, I came across a song titled "Get Thy Bearings."
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The Dark Elf ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: February 01 2011 Location: Michigan Status: Offline Points: 13338 |
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Not prog at all. I can't think of a proggy Donovan song. Repeating a chorus for several minutes on Atlantis does not prog make.
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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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Just acid folk and psych pop. Not "early" prog at all as far as I can tell.
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What?
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KingCrInuYasha ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 26 2010 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 1281 |
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I'm going to have to say just psych, with a dash of prog.
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He looks at this world and wants it all... so he strikes, like Thunderball!
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Intruder ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: May 13 2005 Status: Offline Points: 2211 |
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Donovan wrote outstanding melodies - waaaay better than Dylan in that respect. The words, however, were the trippy aspect of Donovan albums. The arrangements could've been used by the Bee Gees, early John Martyn, Nick Drake or Bill Fay.....very traditional UK folk-oriented.
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TODDLER ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: August 28 2009 Location: Vineland, N.J. Status: Offline Points: 3126 |
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But of course Steve Hillage covered "Hurdy Gurdy Man" on "L" and a more spaced out Prog version of the song is featured on "Live Herald". Progressive rockers have a track record of re-doing old Psychedelic Pop songs. Has anyone ever noticed that? Maybe this is an insignificant point, but then what lies within the interest to do that?
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someone_else ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: May 02 2008 Location: Going Bananas Status: Offline Points: 24772 |
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He did indeed, and I attended one of those gigs (Rotterdam, NL, November 1977). His performance was not really appreciated by all those Yes fans, but somehow he seemed a nice guy. His music has little to do with prog as far as I can judge. Remotely proto-prog-related at its best...
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chopper ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 13 2005 Location: Essex, UK Status: Offline Points: 20048 |
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I don't really see him as early prog, mind you he did support Yes on a tour once.
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dr wu23 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 22 2010 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 20696 |
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I never really thought of him as psych or prog though some of his songs certainly had some psych things in them.
I was lucky enough to have seen him play at a local folk club in Indiana about 15 years ago....nice show and we managed to get some autographs and meet him after the show. A very nice man.
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SteveG ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20617 |
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^Good question. Very rudimentary. Not even proto as, you stated yourself, there is no clear form. Perhaps just avant or just oddball like the 2 minute speach that opens Atlantis to be followed by only a cascading repeating chorus.
Btw, the drummer on Hurdy Gurdy Man was John Bonham before he joined you know who. Just kidding, but it's a great imitation. Edited by SteveG - October 03 2014 at 15:22 |
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TODDLER ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: August 28 2009 Location: Vineland, N.J. Status: Offline Points: 3126 |
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What do you consider specifically to be early Prog?
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TODDLER ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: August 28 2009 Location: Vineland, N.J. Status: Offline Points: 3126 |
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I've often thought it to be psychedelic folk rock ....because stylistically if you've noticed....it has that British 70's Rock feel. In some sense...I can hear Ray Davies singing "Sunshine Superman" and "Hurdy Gurdy Man" is reminiscent of The Beatles approach on Magical Mystery Tour. I personally can hear Ringo's snare drum effect on "Hurdy Gurdy". The effect that can be duplicated by placing a bath towel on the snare.and hitting it with a stick..which creates the snare drum sound on "Strawberry Fields" or "Helter Skelter". Donovan has the 60's British Psychedelic Pop sound and so maybe just elements within his songs cross paths with Prog. Not structure though. Only choice of sounds and oddball ideas. It's been too long since I've heard Atlantis and I can't comment. Many of the ideas in 60's British Psychedelic Pop filter through in Prog, but we could always point that detail out in many of the British artists of that decade and not just the usual suspects.
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SteveG ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20617 |
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Sunshine Superman and Atlantis. Early prog or just psychedelic folk rock?
Edited by SteveG - October 02 2014 at 18:00 |
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