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    Posted: March 01 2018 at 18:08
Ain't talking bout "Love", (but they were a great, eclectic group)..

I've always loved The Stylistics, Delfonics, Dramatics, and anything else that ends in ICS.. But seriously, if there's anything a bit under the radar, or something very similar, I'm sure some would love to hear.

Can you imagine "You Make Me Feel Brand New" with a bit of jamming?

(I don't care if they are white, didn't want to make a paragraph out of the subject title)


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Rotary Connection
WAR
Funkadelic
Mandrill
Osibissa
Isaac Hayes
early Kool and the Gang
Soundtrack to "Sweet Sweetback's Badass Song"
mid 70s Miles Davis
Herbie Hancock Sextet
Shuggie Otis
Junie Morrison
Chambers Brothers
David Sancious
Billy Cobham
The Jimi Hendrix Experience
Larry Young's Fuel (mid 70s)
early Earth Wind and Fire
As far as individual songs go, there are some interesting things by The Meters, The Ohio Players and Quincy Jones.

For more current music, there is some interesting artsy RnB coming out of LA lately, particularly Thundercat.

There is more, but I have to think about it.
This site might help you out, it has extensive lists of funk and RnB artists with jazz and art pop leanings:
http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/

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I think DEMON FUZZ was all black and they are here on PA under jazz-fusion. 

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Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

Rotary Connection
WAR
Funkadelic
Mandrill
Osibissa
Isaac Hayes
early Kool and the Gang
Soundtrack to "Sweet Sweetback's Badass Song"
mid 70s Miles Davis
Herbie Hancock Sextet
Shuggie Otis
Junie Morrison
Chambers Brothers
David Sancious
Billy Cobham
The Jimi Hendrix Experience
Larry Young's Fuel (mid 70s)
early Earth Wind and Fire
As far as individual songs go, there are some interesting things by The Meters, The Ohio Players and Quincy Jones.

For more current music, there is some interesting artsy RnB coming out of LA lately, particularly Thundercat.

There is more, but I have to think about it.
This site might help you out, it has extensive lists of funk and RnB artists with jazz and art pop leanings:
http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/

Good list but don't forget Stevie Wonder, Tony Williams, Stanley Clarke and Curtis Mayfield. Lenny White(drummer from RTF) also had some interesting solo material. Of course there's also Prince but he was a bit later. 



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^ I had just come back to the site to add Stevie Wonder to the list, and you're right, Curtis Mayfield belongs as does Stanley, Tony and Lenny.
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Sly and the Family Stone's early stuff is surprisingly progish.
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As well as the METERS

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Not to be pedantic here but shouldn't this be in the general music forum and not under prog...?
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Still love and listen to David Sancious Just as I Thought----very proggie---and produced by Yes genius Eddie OffordSmile
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Osibisa are my favourites !! Love Osibisa.
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Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Osibisa are my favourites !! Love Osibisa.
Yep they're awesome. And lots of other great stuff has been mentioned already.

The Temptations recorded a lot of proggy material in the late 60's early 70's. But their actual albums were always a mix of one or two advanced, beautifully orchestrated mini-epics and shorter more typically recognizable Motown-soul/funk, perhaps a syrupy ballad (or a nice one) and a dullish cover (or a good one). Not sure if they had to do it like that to survive or make the record company happy - or maybe they simply liked it that way. Anyway I'd skip the regular albums and go for this fantastic collection:
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What about Fela Kuti?

If that's not prog, what is...

And in the 80's and 90's Salif Keita made some outstanding fusion-crossover records.
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I thought the O.P. was a bit ‘harsh’ in saying ‘ black’. Now I’m not intending in any way, shape or form, of bringing politics into this fantastic poll question. I’m way far of being ‘racist’, and I’m not a ‘red tape’ do-gooder’ either.
So...........let’s just say that certain indigenous races have a heart and soul many of us ‘Westerners’ lack, and it shines in the music they perform.
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Nurture and nature of course.

It's the same with sports. Black people are more often basketballplayers and white people are more often iceskaters or golfers.

In music more black people are jazz/blues/r&b/hiphop and more white people are punk/metal/rock/classical.

But that's all changing (thank god). I really wish I was colourblind. But I was raised in the 80's and 90's.
On the other hand, when it's not meant as racist, I think it would be okay to refer to a band as a black progband.

Without the means and money and education that most privileged people had, it's good to see that people with different backgrounds have a knack for difficult music.
The same goes for all people (regardless of skincolour) who grew up without musical education or education at all and went on to play the most terrific music.
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I second Sly and Family Stone.

"I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021
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What's going on is a prog album. I hear some prog in the first Sylvers albums too.

The Sylvers II - Love Me, Love Me Not

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXuAC1_97iw
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Black Merda were a psychedelic funk band; I would call them "prog-related".


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Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Osibisa are my favourites !! Love Osibisa.
I love 'em too. Woyaya is one of my most cherished albums.

Also good were Cymande who were (mainly) Jamaicans based in the UK. Their first album is a mellow gem of Rasta prog.

Edited by Mascodagama - March 02 2018 at 05:35
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Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Black Merda were a psychedelic funk band; I would call them "prog-related".
Agree. Like a lot of artists coming from african-american jazz (or european - or japanese) quite a few acts normally associated with "plain" funk or soul or went through proggy psychedelic soul-fusion period that could potentially interest any PA visitor.
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^Yep. Even Chubby Checker had a psych album. 
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