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Looks like they're manipulating ratings of their favourable artists intentionally, with thoughtless ratings for other ones. Quite annoying.
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Future_Passed has rated most Pendragon albums as 5 stars but Love Over Fear has 1 star. Really?
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Originally posted by BrufordFreak BrufordFreak wrote:

I've been watching the insidious climb of all things Kalugin and Modern-Rock Ensemble over the past three or four months. It's kind of humorous, kind of scary in a tampering-with-the-U.S.-democratic-elections kind of way. 

For example, just look at the latest three ratings (at the bottom of the list) on the 2019 Modern-Rock Ensemble album from "FUTURE_PASSED (Future Passed)," ATOMIC_RELIC (Atomic Relic)," and "KINGCRIMSONKING (King Crimson)" (all accounts established in 2020, none revealing real names, all claiming to be US accounts):  all five star ratings. Yet, if you go to their individual accounts, everything looks kosher until you look at the ratings for all of the other albums in competition with Night Dreams & Wishes at the top of the '19 and '20 charts: Tirill, one star; Opeth, one star; Pendragon, one star; Battlestations, one star; The Ocean, one star; Lazuli, on star; Motorpsycho, one star; and five stars for Kalugin/Karfagen and Night Dreams across the board. 

Aside from favoring the climb I've been watching of Night Dreams, and the way it is favoring all of Antony Kalugin's albums, I'm half expecting it to pave the way for an onslaught for #1 for a new, 2020 <span style=": rgb240, 240, 240; font-family: " sans", Arial, sans-serif;">Vladimir Goraschenko (Modern-Rock Ensemble) release. It's actually been quite entertaining, quite cleverly done, with the final result that, until some collabs get involved by posting more realistic reviews, I imagine within a week or two the Modern-Rock Ensemble album will be #1 on the 2019 chart with Kalugin's Dragons right behind, and Kalugin's Marshmallow Moondust and Birds of Passage overtaking everything but maybe Wobbler on the 2020 chart (until, of course, the M-R E release that I predict). It'll be interesting to watch!</span>
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<span style=": rgb240, 240, 240; font-family: " sans", Arial, sans-serif;">I do not mean to begrudge Antony and Vladimir their success and accolades (they have produced some great music!), but are these albums really Top 100 All-Time Prog albums?</span>

Good grief. Time to tweak the algorithm so that all Kalugin albums are automatically excluded from the top lists.
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

 It's weird, but then again someone just said the other day in a Pink Floyd thread that he thought A Momentary Lapse of Reason is a better album than Dark Side of the Moon. Confused 
Maybe he had A Momentary Lapse of Reason. Tongue
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Originally posted by BrufordFreak BrufordFreak wrote:

I've been watching the insidious climb of all things Kalugin and Modern-Rock Ensemble over the past three or four months. It's kind of humorous, kind of scary in a tampering-with-the-U.S.-democratic-elections kind of way. 

For example, just look at the latest three ratings (at the bottom of the list) on the 2019 Modern-Rock Ensemble album from "FUTURE_PASSED (Future Passed)," ATOMIC_RELIC (Atomic Relic)," and "KINGCRIMSONKING (King Crimson)" (all accounts established in 2020, none revealing real names, all claiming to be US accounts):  all five star ratings. Yet, if you go to their individual accounts, everything looks kosher until you look at the ratings for all of the other albums in competition with Night Dreams & Wishes at the top of the '19 and '20 charts: Tirill, one star; Opeth, one star; Pendragon, one star; Battlestations, one star; The Ocean, one star; Lazuli, on star; Motorpsycho, one star; and five stars for Kalugin/Karfagen and Night Dreams across the board. 

Aside from favoring the climb I've been watching of Night Dreams, and the way it is favoring all of Antony Kalugin's albums, I'm half expecting it to pave the way for an onslaught for #1 for a new, 2020 Vladimir Goraschenko (Modern-Rock Ensemble) release. It's actually been quite entertaining, quite cleverly done, with the final result that, until some collabs get involved by posting more realistic reviews, I imagine within a week or two the Modern-Rock Ensemble album will be #1 on the 2019 chart with Kalugin's Dragons right behind, and Kalugin's Marshmallow Moondust and Birds of Passage overtaking everything but maybe Wobbler on the 2020 chart (until, of course, the M-R E release that I predict). It'll be interesting to watch!


those three look suspicious, 
one of them gave all Nektar albums 5 stars. 
One gave most Yes albums 5 stars...
One of them gave Wish You Were Here 1 star, it's weird, but then again someone just said the other day in a Pink Floyd thread that he thought A Momentary lapse of Reason is a better album than Dark Side of the Moon. Confused 
Admin/mods need to look in to those three accounts rating and make a decision.Confused
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Originally posted by BrufordFreak BrufordFreak wrote:

I've been watching the insidious climb of all things Kalugin and Modern-Rock Ensemble over the past three or four months. It's kind of humorous, kind of scary in a tampering-with-the-U.S.-democratic-elections kind of way. 

For example, just look at the latest three ratings (at the bottom of the list) on the 2019 Modern-Rock Ensemble album from "FUTURE_PASSED (Future Passed)," ATOMIC_RELIC (Atomic Relic)," and "KINGCRIMSONKING (King Crimson)" (all accounts established in 2020, none revealing real names, all claiming to be US accounts):  all five star ratings. Yet, if you go to their individual accounts, everything looks kosher until you look at the ratings for all of the other albums in competition with Night Dreams & Wishes at the top of the '19 and '20 charts: Tirill, one star; Opeth, one star; Pendragon, one star; Battlestations, one star; The Ocean, one star; Lazuli, on star; Motorpsycho, one star; and five stars for Kalugin/Karfagen and Night Dreams across the board. 

Aside from favoring the climb I've been watching of Night Dreams, and the way it is favoring all of Antony Kalugin's albums, I'm half expecting it to pave the way for an onslaught for #1 for a new, 2020 Vladimir Goraschenko (Modern-Rock Ensemble) release. It's actually been quite entertaining, quite cleverly done, with the final result that, until some collabs get involved by posting more realistic reviews, I imagine within a week or two the Modern-Rock Ensemble album will be #1 on the 2019 chart with Kalugin's Dragons right behind, and Kalugin's Marshmallow Moondust and Birds of Passage overtaking everything but maybe Wobbler on the 2020 chart (until, of course, the M-R E release that I predict). It'll be interesting to watch!

I do not mean to begrudge Antony and Vladimir their success and accolades (they have produced some great music!), but are these albums really Top 100 All-Time Prog albums?
Sounds a bit suspicious - no way are the Motorpsycho, Pendrangon and Opeth albums 1 star in anyone's book, unless you're up to something.
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Originally posted by A Crimson Mellotron A Crimson Mellotron wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

I don't think it's rating abuse, but more of some kind of error or glitch?

albums often drop in rating the more ratings they get, that's all. 

Pretty much the most accurate description of the issue. LOL
Every review/rating impacts the overall... what abuse are we talking about?
And another thing (which is even more intriguing): Why does any of this matter?

It was strange cause it seemed appear after the site went offline. Turns out it was just Brufordfreak changing a bunch of his ratings LOL


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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

I don't think it's rating abuse, but more of some kind of error or glitch?

albums often drop in rating the more ratings they get, that's all. 

Pretty much the most accurate description of the issue. LOL
Every review/rating impacts the overall... what abuse are we talking about?
And another thing (which is even more intriguing): Why does any of this matter?
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Originally posted by BrufordFreak BrufordFreak wrote:

I've been watching the insidious climb of all things Kalugin and Modern-Rock Ensemble over the past three or four months. It's kind of humorous, kind of scary in a tampering-with-the-U.S.-democratic-elections kind of way. 

For example, just look at the latest three ratings (at the bottom of the list) on the 2019 Modern-Rock Ensemble album from "FUTURE_PASSED (Future Passed)," ATOMIC_RELIC (Atomic Relic)," and "KINGCRIMSONKING (King Crimson)" (all accounts established in 2020, none revealing real names, all claiming to be US accounts):  all five star ratings. Yet, if you go to their individual accounts, everything looks kosher until you look at the ratings for all of the other albums in competition with Night Dreams & Wishes at the top of the '19 and '20 charts: Tirill, one star; Opeth, one star; Pendragon, one star; Battlestations, one star; The Ocean, one star; Lazuli, on star; Motorpsycho, one star; and five stars for Kalugin/Karfagen and Night Dreams across the board. 

Aside from favoring the climb I've been watching of Night Dreams, and the way it is favoring all of Antony Kalugin's albums, I'm half expecting it to pave the way for an onslaught for #1 for a new, 2020 Vladimir Goraschenko (Modern-Rock Ensemble) release. It's actually been quite entertaining, quite cleverly done, with the final result that, until some collabs get involved by posting more realistic reviews, I imagine within a week or two the Modern-Rock Ensemble album will be #1 on the 2019 chart with Kalugin's Dragons right behind, and Kalugin's Marshmallow Moondust and Birds of Passage overtaking everything but maybe Wobbler on the 2020 chart (until, of course, the M-R E release that I predict). It'll be interesting to watch!

I do not mean to begrudge Antony and Vladimir their success and accolades (they have produced some great music!), but are these albums really Top 100 All-Time Prog albums?

This is highly suspicious, only Neo Prog fans/fiends would do this kind of outlandish stuff hahaha. I'm going to listen and give an honest review myself


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I don't know if a collaborator's reviews have this much impact, but a week or two ago I had a shift in conscience in which I came to believe that my past ratings had not been true or matched with the PA guidelines: I know I've tended to rate albums with an exuberance of enthusiasm, the words "Essential," "Excellent addition to any prog lover's music collection," and "Good, but not essential" had been weighing on me for some time. When I looked at all of the albums that I had rated with five stars but whose opinion has not remained as high with me (no longer could I consider them "Essential") I went through all of my ratings and adjusted them. Thus, many five star albums were downgraded to four; many albums that I had give four star ratings to I downgraded to three ("good but non-essential"), and I even downgraded a lot of three stars to two ("collectors/fans only"). I just couldn't, in good consciousness, keep upholding some good albums as "excellent" and some excellent albums as "essential." 

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I've been watching the insidious climb of all things Kalugin and Modern-Rock Ensemble over the past three or four months. It's kind of humorous, kind of scary in a tampering-with-the-U.S.-democratic-elections kind of way. 

For example, just look at the latest three ratings (at the bottom of the list) on the 2019 Modern-Rock Ensemble album from "FUTURE_PASSED (Future Passed)," ATOMIC_RELIC (Atomic Relic)," and "KINGCRIMSONKING (King Crimson)" (all accounts established in 2020, none revealing real names, all claiming to be US accounts):  all five star ratings. Yet, if you go to their individual accounts, everything looks kosher until you look at the ratings for all of the other albums in competition with Night Dreams & Wishes at the top of the '19 and '20 charts: Tirill, one star; Opeth, one star; Pendragon, one star; Battlestations, one star; The Ocean, one star; Lazuli, on star; Motorpsycho, one star; and five stars for Kalugin/Karfagen and Night Dreams across the board. 

Aside from favoring the climb I've been watching of Night Dreams, and the way it is favoring all of Antony Kalugin's albums, I'm half expecting it to pave the way for an onslaught for #1 for a new, 2020 Vladimir Goraschenko (Modern-Rock Ensemble) release. It's actually been quite entertaining, quite cleverly done, with the final result that, until some collabs get involved by posting more realistic reviews, I imagine within a week or two the Modern-Rock Ensemble album will be #1 on the 2019 chart with Kalugin's Dragons right behind, and Kalugin's Marshmallow Moondust and Birds of Passage overtaking everything but maybe Wobbler on the 2020 chart (until, of course, the M-R E release that I predict). It'll be interesting to watch!

I do not mean to begrudge Antony and Vladimir their success and accolades (they have produced some great music!), but are these albums really Top 100 All-Time Prog albums?
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Well the problem is the number of ratings never changed on most of these albums, that or they changed by such a small amount, maybe 1-3 ratings that couldn't ever lead to score drops that significant 

Yeah, this has been my main point of confusion all along.
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Well the problem is the number of ratings never changed on most of these albums, that or they changed by such a small amount, maybe 1-3 ratings that couldn't ever lead to score drops that significant 
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Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

I don't think it's rating abuse, but more of some kind of error or glitch?

albums often drop in rating the more ratings they get, that's all. 
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I don't think it's rating abuse, but more of some kind of error or glitch?
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Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

Off the top of my head The Road of Bones, From Silence to Somewhere and Hand. Cannot. Erase. dropped 5-10 places over night with no significant rating changes. Besides the previously linked entries above, In Cauda Venenum also randomly dropped several points, looking on the wayback machine the new Pendragon had a score of 4.26 12 days ago with 272 ratings, now today it's down to 4.19 with 284 ratings. None of these have had added ratings which is why its suspicious and unlikely for ratings to do it. From Silence to Somewhere had a 3 star review a week or so ago but that only dropped it down to 25, but any ratings since then have been 5 stars and it's stilled moved down 5 more spots randomly.

I still don't see the rating abuse Confused
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Off the top of my head The Road of Bones, From Silence to Somewhere and Hand. Cannot. Erase. dropped 5-10 places over night with no significant rating changes. Besides the previously linked entries above, In Cauda Venenum also randomly dropped several points, looking on the wayback machine the new Pendragon had a score of 4.26 12 days ago with 272 ratings, now today it's down to 4.19 with 284 ratings. None of these have had added ratings which is why its suspicious and unlikely for ratings to do it. From Silence to Somewhere had a 3 star review a week or so ago but that only dropped it down to 25, but any ratings since then have been 5 stars and it's stilled moved down 5 more spots randomly.

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Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

Any update on what happened here? I've noticed a handful of inexplicable rating drops on recent releases.

can you give some examples, post a link? 
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Any update on what happened here? I've noticed a handful of inexplicable rating drops on recent releases.
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Yeah, the only thing is that the change is not just in their ranking within the chart, but also their average rating quality even just on their own.
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