What is happening in Jerusalem?

I'm afraid we're past the tribal stage and into blood vendettas.

tszirmay wrote: Being a historian , I am always stunned to read facts that generally go against popular beliefs, which was the gist of my comment. So much to discover still. BTW, did you know that David Ben-Gurion (first PM of Israel) studied at the University of Istanbul? The list of famous Turkish Jews is quite impressive by the way (such as one of the founders of the Young Turks !) . As far as being misunderstood, you are the resident anarchist , what do you expect ?

Well, thank you. I'm not very knowledgeable on history. Perhaps our education system (or the lack thereof) is responsible for that.

On a second thought, my brother is very knowledgeable about and interested in history. Perhaps I should blame myself. 

Thomas; sorry, but I still understand "the odd part" you're referring to differently from your related post.

Though, if you had meant the 10.000 part with that, it is fair enough. I can understand it, being the notorious "misunderstood guy" here. 

tszirmay wrote: Shadowyzard wrote: tszirmay wrote: Oddly, many of the formerly 80,000-strong Iranian Jewish community had left Iran by 1978. There's nothing "odd" there. Do you know what happened in Iran in 1979? So, things (like revolutions) don't "just" happen out of nothing. The problem is... a group of people "see/saw" themselves as the "chosen ones", and another larger group think/thought that the "chosen ones" are damned, and "Allah" granted them superiority over the damned ones. This is as blunt and to the point as I can be.   I really don't like discussing religions and faiths, but felt like I have to make where the problems began clear. Oddly, in that Iranians are not Arabs and that Iranian Jews are Iranian. Just like Turks are not Arabs either. And I do know what happened in 1979, thank you.  Its not just religion question but being different enough to be viewed with suspicion, as outsiders or not enough like the majority.

In 1979, there happened an Islamic revolution. So, it is not odd at all. Not even close.

Oh, you also can talk about how the "West" treated the Jews in the past. I'd be happy to read your "post", as befitting your signature here. It really would be good for me, as I don't have a better knowledge on this more than a regular person.

Edited by Shadowyzard - May 13 2021 at 12:56

tszirmay wrote: Oddly, many of the formerly 80,000-strong Iranian Jewish community had left Iran by 1978.

There's nothing "odd" there. Do you know what happened in Iran in 1979? So, things (like revolutions) don't "just" happen out of nothing.

The problem is... a group of people "see/saw" themselves as the "chosen ones", and another larger group think/thought that the "chosen ones" are damned, and "Allah" granted them superiority over the damned ones. This is as blunt and to the point as I can be.  

I really don't like discussing religions and faiths, but felt like I have to make where the problems began clear.

SteveG wrote: Regardless of the current sides of this old problem, it's time for a Palestinian State and be done with it.

I really appreciate your fairness here, like I always do when you make a political comment. But with leaders like Netanyahu in Israel, I'm not sure a Palestinian State would be a good idea. It might result in far bloodier "power clashes". Same is in my country, where lots of Kurds wish for attaining their own country: Kurdistan. Our Erdoğan is no better than Netanyahu, so I don't think we would live in peace with a prospective Kurdistan in the short term.  BTW, I don't think "being divided" is politically a good move for my country. As the West likes to "divide and rule", you know? We, unfortunately, have to be powerful in our area. (I always prefer being influential over being powerful.) I figure we would be like the Balkan countries, if we let a Kurdistan here. Then, the Aegean region might demand independence, even Istanbul can try to be a real European country. I don't think it is a fruitful solution for us.

I know that LOTS OF people despise Netanyahu in Israel, as is the case about Erdoğan in Turkey...

Also, irregardless of whether one is religious or an atheist; this ongoing problem between Muslims and Jews is unfortunately affecting us all. You know? There are lots of "cultural Christians" in Europe and America. Same is for the Muslims, probably in all Muslim countries.

I, unfortunately, fail to see a solution to this problem in the short term. I still can wish for a miracle... Hey, I'm an anarchist, but am not that delusional for expecting such an order to happen in 7 days, like how God created the Earth. 

Lots of Palestinians are dying, and lots of Israeli people are living in fear... So sad... I hope there's something we can do about it.

Thanks, Steve. 

Edited by Shadowyzard - May 13 2021 at 11:05

SteveG wrote: Regardless of the current sides of this old problem, it's time for a Palestinian State and be done with it.

I hope to see that some time in my lifetime.

The fact that he’s been living here for years doesn’t make him right, I’ve been living in Jerusalem for all my life, you don’t know me so don’t tell me he knows better. You can find A lot of Jerusalem natives including professors and journalists who cover this dispute for their entire professional career and they disagree between them, all have valid claims about every matter and it’s up to you to form your own views but you have to get to the bottom of every side. I have a lot of criticism to the government and I even have never voted for Netanyahu but I’m fair enough to say when we were wrong. The ones who completely favour one side without having any criticism clearly like this guy they are the ones who doesn’t want to see the truth. I know that there are places where Arabs were driven out but believe me there are many places where Jews were driven out too.
My problem is that every dispute turns to a valid excuse for violence and murder by the Arab side.

Sagichim wrote: Sounds like the same old bullsh*t and twisting of reality by Roger Waters and co. " in the language of the Zionist movement, to Judaize Palestine, to turn an Arab land into a Jewish one; in short, to “cleanse” the country ethnically." This is really amazing, 2000 years of dispute and this guy got it all figured out, like this case can be settled in court ruling in favour of one of the sides. Of course if your premise is this than it's easy to see what's going on in Jerusalem this way.  Sadly because of people like this idiot, who posts lies and the twisting of reality these past few days palestinians have now thrown decades of coexistence in mixed cities like Jaffa and Ako by savage rampage including beating of civilians, arsoning of synagogues, houses, cars and whatever, something that had never happened here in this scale...ever. Of course Israeli civilians don't stand in silent and the situation is very bad. Israeli leaders calls their public to stop these riots while not a word from Arab leaders (in the same governmnt). P.S - Jamesbaldwin if you post something like this always try and look for the other side too, there's two sides to the story you know, and in this case there's ten.

nick_h_nz wrote: There is twisting of reality on more than one side, too. I side with Palestine.

Yes but not in this scale. Not even close.

Edited by Sagichim - May 13 2021 at 07:18