lazland wrote: Can you name me one occasion when any citizen working on behalf of any state within the EU, including UK, or Israel have been cited for war crimes at the International Court, please?

I can't, now not everyone acknowledges the authority of the ICC, (I'd say) the most striking example being (a lot of) muslims versus the legal system by which Israel can exist. We can politely ask those muslims to provide evidences that the Qur'an was Revealed so everyone would agree on halal laws (esp into using probability calculus as regards "mathematical" miracles some claim to find in the Qur'an). As long as muslims cannot do this, there'd be no reason for Westerners & co to renounce to the system the ICC refers to.

One would trust Putin had succesfully made Russia a more attractive country to Westerners than was USSR so he'd invest further in advertizing for its universities and tech centers until they'd become as famous as MIT Harvard, Silicon Valley,  etc, matching the media genius the West has been able to develop. It seems this war happens because Putin cannot wait and wants greatness (illusory greatness, that is, as USSR had space tech and weapons but no proper "USSR way of life" dream) back as soon as possible. The only way he would renounce would be that (hopefully in any leader's mind), the word "war" would stop being associated with military parades and definitely with filthy quagmires, irreversible wastes & disasters




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SteveG wrote: ^ If that's not the final word, I don't know what is. Time to close the thread?

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jamesbaldwin wrote: SteveG wrote: Lewian wrote: If we agreed on the facts, regarding the atrocities committed by the Russians currently in Ukraine, although I'm not sure we do, is it really important whether this qualifies technically as a genocide or not? (I know that there is a juridical sense in which it does, but I'm interested what that issue means to you, given that some seem to be interested in it.) For me personally it is what it is. Whether it's called "genocide" or not won't change it. So, why we don't we end this debate in semantics and call it what it is? A War Crime, and be done with it. I am not a judge of the International Court, but from what I see and hear, Putin is committing war crimes every day: bombs on civilian buildings and the siege of a city are usually considered a war crime. It is not the first time that Putin has committed these crimes, in Syria he and Assad have done worse. But Putin and Assad are not the only ones to have committed them in the last 30 years: the sad thing is that the states of the UN Security Council plus their allies (EU and Israel) have committed these crimes the most.

Easy Money wrote: ^ There are a couple people in this thread that deserve a cracker too. For those who may not recognize him, that is Tucker Carlson, or just plain f**ker as I like to call him. He is a filthy rich putin loving media elitist and all-around hate mongering divisive tool. Really annoying haircut too.

The most punchable face in news media. Yeah, he's part of the echo chamber that drives people like Cindy.

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Edited by Lewian - March 21 2022 at 07:20

^ Its Turkish word is also Eskimo, and it is not deragotary in here. But thanks for the info, I appreciate that. Learning is good. 

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King of Loss wrote: tszirmay wrote: King of Loss wrote: tszirmay wrote: “THE GREATEST LESSON IN LIFE IS TO KNOW THAT EVEN FOOLS ARE RIGHT SOMETIMES.” (WINSTON CHURCHILL) I will add :They can be also on the LEFT I hate to be a contrarian, but Winston Churchill was responsible for one of the worst genocides of the 20th century. That has no bearing on the quote.......You can start a Churchill genocides thread if you wish.....This is specific to this thread.  I don't know..... but people in this thread are mentioning genocide and Putin as Hitler. I felt like it was inappropriate to use a Churchill quote....