Napoleon is talked out of invading Russia … - Progressive Rock Music Forum

We would discuss this in French.

Lewian wrote:

We would discuss this in French.

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BrufordFreak wrote:

…how does European and world history unfold?

Hi,

We'll just have to wait for the new movie to find out! Tongue

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BrufordFreak wrote:

suitkees wrote:

Or in Russian; they had plans to invade the French Empire even before Napoleon made his trip.

And Europe would have become the Greatest Democracy of the World, of course.

Kees, you've been watching too much of The Great!

Nah, I'm twisted enough of my own account. But that series looks quite interesting, of what I read about it - will try to lay my hand/eyes on it. Thanks.

That the Russians wanted to invade the French Empire somewhere in 1810 (or maybe 1811) is a fact. Had Napoleon married Anna Palovna instead of Marie-Louise, we maybe would be discussing this in French, but in the end the Sixth Coalition saved you from this. Or, probably more accurate, the things that happened a century later are more responsible for the fact that we discuss things in English, here. Anyway, Europe was quite a mess in the early 19th century and the French Empire had many enemies; with or without the Russian campaign, I'm not sure if things would have been that different.

Maybe an other question could be of much more importance: How would European and World history have unfolded if Napoleon had decided to contemplate the beautiful landscapes of Elba from 1814 onwards till his - always untimely - death in 1842, accidentally overrun by a goat while picking flowers?

The razamataz is a pain in the bum

Ah, no, I wasn't thinking that, but I can see why you ask, and indirectly maybe I do... Mine is mostly a layman's view on these historical things, but I actually think that that 7th Coalition War was just a last belch of Napoleon against an unstoppable movement of creating nation-states based more on culture and identity than on territorial conquests. The coalitions were maybe already an expression of that. Without the 7th Coalition War France might still have been a monarchy, but probably a weak one. That might be the biggest thing to have led to a different evolution in Europe, but probably also a minor thing in the bigger scheme of things (the creation of Nation-States, industrialisation, etc.).

The razamataz is a pain in the bum

moshkito wrote:

BrufordFreak wrote:

…how does European and world history unfold?

Hi,

We'll just have to wait for the new movie to find out! Tongue

I saw previews today, it looked the best of the fall films. Joaquin Phoenix has played brutal emperors before, (though he looks nothing like Bonaparte) I'm sure he'll give a very interesting performance.

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