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A Bard 
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 Topic: What Was The First Prog AlbumPosted: March 30 2020 at 12:07 |
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What was the first Album that is prog and not proto-prog. Is their an album that invented the basic of Prog rock or was it a slow evolution and the wasn't a clear jump from Proto prog to prog. So what is the first real prog album
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Posted: March 30 2020 at 12:17 |
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http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=69508
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A Bard
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Posted: March 30 2020 at 12:38 |
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AFlowerKingCrimson
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Posted: April 03 2020 at 09:42 |
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That post is from ten years ago. People are allowed to mention it again. If newer members want to discuss it they can't because older posts tend to be closed and therefore no one can reply to them.
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Posted: April 03 2020 at 10:05 |
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Sigh...interesting question...has been answered before...
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Posted: April 03 2020 at 10:38 |
I agree, unless something has changed in the definition of prog......the albums are the same.
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King of Loss
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Posted: April 03 2020 at 10:43 |
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Mine probably was Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon. Still a great album to listen to!
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Posted: April 03 2020 at 10:44 |
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If it was good for 30 pages 10 years ago we can surely have a bit of a chat now.
In The Court Of The Crimson King is the first fully formed prog album IMHO, lots of elements came before on some very good albums but this is ground zero.
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AFlowerKingCrimson
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Posted: April 03 2020 at 11:01 |
Caravan, Soft Machine, The Nice, The Moody Blues, Pink Floyd and Frank Zappa(or his representatives at least)are on their way to your house and want to have a word with you.   I agree KC had the first "official"(or the one that first gave the scene a lot of attention) prog album but it's certainly debatable if there was any "true" prog before it or not. For example on this site you will see many albums(and bands) that predate "court" that aren't considered proto prog.
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Posted: April 03 2020 at 11:03 |
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It’s basically a tie between In The Court Of The Crimson King and Hot Rats - both albums released on the same day, 10th of October 1969.
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richardh
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Posted: April 03 2020 at 11:38 |
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^ weirdly that also happened with The Nice - Ars Longa Vita Brevis and Procol Harum - Shine On Brightly , and both albums had side long pieces. I'm not really sure why Ars Long Vita Brevis is less prog than ELP- Tarkus? No one doubts that Tarkus is prog? Interestingly The Nice were put into 'Symphonic' here so there is a question as to whether they should even be considered to be 'Proto Prog' . From 1968 Keith Emerson and Procol were already embracing progressive ideas but perhaps without the 'finish' and professionalism that was to follow a year later. In The Court was massively important though. It not only raised the benchmark but also made it clear that 'all bets were off'. After Rolling Stone famously did a 360 about turn in their opinion of the album , prog rock was here and sticking around!
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Posted: April 03 2020 at 11:48 |
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It depends on how you define Prog, or how loose your parameters are. I tend to look to 1967 with albums such as Procol Harum's self-titled (actually, I'd sooner call 1968's Shine On Brightly Prog), or Moody Blues' Days of Future Passed, The Nice' Thoughts of Emerlist Davjack. Stuff like Hansson & Karlsson' Monument could be descrobed as prog, or Proto-Prog.
I tend to put some 60s psych into the Prog umbrella such as 50 Foot Hose's Cauldron from 1967. And then there's Seventh Sons' Raga which is jammy, and was released in 1968, but is said to be from 1964. |
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Posted: April 03 2020 at 13:21 |
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Posted: May 08 2020 at 19:19 |
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Yes - Talk & Pink Floyd - The Division Bell.
About 20 years ago. |
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Posted: 8 hours 39 minutes ago at 10:08 |
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I just read through the entire 30 pages of the 2010 thread with this title and found it very informative (despite the tangents several personal conflicts took us on). I was too young, ignorant, and uneducated to participate in that discussion, but as AFlowerKingCrimson said, I see no harm in allowing/promoting newer members' take on the topic--there's always learning to experience.
In case anyone has an interest in a longer version of an answer to the question, I've tried to summarize the 2010 discussion into a concise list of the albums offered at that time on this post on my blog, Prog Is Alive and Well in the 2st Century. https://www.blogger.com/blog/post/edit/4177889769726575312/5361840915960305000 |
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It's akin to the good old debate about which was the first Rock & Roll record.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origins_of_rock_and_roll#Views_on_the_first_rock_and_roll_record All musical styles evolve out as what has gone before - with rock & roll it was primarily the blues, swing, jazz, rockabilly, etc, and prog as we all know evolved out of the psychedelia of the 60's, adding in a good dollop of blues, folk & jazz. The answer either both question is probably down to your own viewpoint. |
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Posted: 7 hours 10 minutes ago at 11:37 |
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ITCOTCK was probably the first prog album of note as if ushering a new genre.
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Posted: 5 hours 11 minutes ago at 13:36 |
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https://bakullama1.bandcamp.com/album/maxwells-submarine
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Posted: 4 hours 42 minutes ago at 14:05 |
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It was a gradual evolution of course, but Prog as we understand it now ~ high musicianship, full use of organ & keyboards, classical and jazz incorporation, long compositions ~ for me it would have to be the Nice, Davjack in 1967 and ALVB in '68. Zappa, Floyd, and the Beach Boys come close, but no cigar.
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