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Sweetnighter 
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 Posted: January 31 2005 at 17:47 |
 richardh wrote:
IMO Rush are the most enduring band of the last 30 years.No one bad album in my opinion ,and I include Roll the Bones. |
Thats one of the things I find so amazing. Three guys rockin' together
for thirty years and still keeping it fresh! Thats incredible. Yes
couldn't go two albums without a lineup change!
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Posted: January 31 2005 at 17:58 |
Sweetnighter wrote:
[QUOTE=richardh]
Thats one of the things I find so amazing. Three guys rockin' together
for thirty years and still keeping it fresh! Thats incredible. Yes
couldn't go two albums without a lineup change!
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It's quite something isn't it? Apart from U2, I can't think of another big band that has done that.
Any suggestions?
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Posted: January 31 2005 at 18:32 |
It's true that Rush has had it's fair share of ups and downs, but they always come out on top. I agree that their lowest point was TFE, but that was still a solid effort. Still, they never really did have a downfall. Their apex was definately from 76-82, that's when they created their most well recognized, and overall best work.
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Posted: January 31 2005 at 20:34 |
To start the downfall, you have to be in the top first, and honestly I don't believe Rush was ever a top prog' band.
OK, flame me or throw me your havelins 
Iván
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Sweetnighter
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Posted: January 31 2005 at 21:14 |
ivan_2068 wrote:
To start the downfall, you have to be in the top first, and honestly I don't believe Rush was ever a top prog' band.
OK, flame me or throw me your havelins
Iván |
As a Rush fan I agree. Rush was a cult band, always has been and always
will be... not a cult in the sense that Rush fans constitute a
particular culture, but the band, although having its limited popular
appeal in the early 80s, was always supported by its fans, and I think
thats what keeps the band rolling on.
...and if Rush fans do constitute a particular kind of culture, its an awfully geeky one
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Posted: January 31 2005 at 21:31 |
| It's quite something isn't it? Apart from U2, I can't think of another big band that has done that. |
ZZ Top
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Posted: January 31 2005 at 21:36 |
| The band ultimatley has the final review and approval before a record is released. |
Sorry, but in this case, how Vapor Trails (a killer album, IMO) sounds is not the fault of the band. The postproduction engineer was told by somebody (not Geddy, Alex or Neil) to make it "the loudest album on the shelf," a lame attempt to compete sonically with current mainstream rock bands. Though it sounds gritty, I still feel the album is listenable, and represents Neil's best lyricizing and drumming and Geddy's best singing and bass playing in years. If you don't feel similarly, then you haven't listened to the CD since the day you bought it! Songs like "Freeze," "Earthshine," "Nocturne" and "Out Of The Cradle" are amazing! Hell, I love the album. What a comeback after a period of inactivity.
Btw, Vapor Trails sold over 100,000 units its first week of release.
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Posted: January 31 2005 at 21:42 |
| Rush fans constitute a particular culture, but the band, although having its limited popular appeal in the early 80s |
"Limited"? Dude, Moving Pictures gained the band over a million new fans, back then. And to this day, Rush, without the marketing campaign afforded acts like Kid Rock and Coldplay, plays large venues. They don't necessarily play stadiums (though down in South America, they can/do  ) but they do play arenas and amphitheaters, not small theaters and clubs, which is all an on-again, off-again group like our beloved ELP can hope to perform in (not our faults). For a "dinosaur rock band," as the critics love to refer to Rush, I can't think of many other bands that have this kind of longevity.
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Posted: January 31 2005 at 21:43 |
i can't vote because i don't know the albums after hold your fire, but all i can say is that the drop happened somewhere after hold your fire, and power windows is definitely not to blame!
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[HEADPINS - LINE OF FIRE: THE RECORD HAVING THE MOST POWERFUL GUITAR SOUND IN THE WHOLE HISTORY OF MUSIC!>
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Sweetnighter
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Posted: January 31 2005 at 22:28 |
dropForge wrote:
| Rush fans constitute a particular culture,
but the band, although having its limited popular appeal in the early
80s |
"Limited"? Dude, Moving Pictures gained the band over a
million new fans, back then. And to this day, Rush, without the
marketing campaign afforded acts like Kid Rock and Coldplay, plays
large venues. They don't necessarily play stadiums (though down in South America, they can/do
) but they do play arenas and amphitheaters, not small theaters and
clubs, which is all an on-again, off-again group like our beloved ELP
can hope to perform in (not our faults). For a "dinosaur rock band," as
the critics love to refer to Rush, I can't think of many other bands
that have this kind of longevity. |
well... then i guess i stand corrected! 
They're an amazing band, what can you say!
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Posted: January 31 2005 at 23:26 |
I think they missed their calling and should have become gas station attendants!!
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Posted: February 01 2005 at 02:44 |
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Signals is really the start of the downfall>> My vote but signs of a change in direction started from Permanent Waves - Spirit of Radio - I was sixteen at the times and had not heard of Progressive Rock at the time - bands like Yes and KC and Genesis were refered to as Art Rock and Rush as Heavy Metal.
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Posted: February 01 2005 at 04:59 |
I think Rush's golden period is 1976-1985. Just 1987 year was their first downfall, but the real crap I've listened in TEST FOR ECHO 
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I Prophesy Disaster...
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Posted: February 01 2005 at 05:53 |
I think it's fair to say that "Hemispheres" was in the top three Prog albums of 1978 (Its better than yes Tormato) - In fact it may be No 1 of the albums I've heard !!!
Thus Rush were No 1 band in 1978 !!
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Posted: February 01 2005 at 06:27 |
dropForge wrote:
| It's quite something isn't it? Apart from U2, I can't think of another big band that has done that. |
ZZ Top
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Quite right. 
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Posted: February 01 2005 at 07:45 |
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The last album that REALLY did it for me was Signals but there have been good moments to be had on every album since. |
Interesting you should say that S, as a lot of people tend to see 'Signals' as Rush's low point (I quite liked it myself).
I don't think Rush ever have "lost it" - except maybe occasionally in a bar on New Years Eve (hi, Alex) - since Neil Peart was bought in to replace John Rutsey, they have constantly progressed from the Led Zeppelin wannabees of the first album, through sci-fi fantasists to one of the tightest prog(ish) rock bands around today, - the fact they have done this whilst modelling some of the worst 1980's haircuts (hi, again, Alex), not to mention jackets ("Taxi for Lifeson, Taxi for Lifeson") proves (to me, anyway) that you can retain prog credentials without becoming stale, or worse, Dream Theater!
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Posted: February 01 2005 at 07:55 |
Jim Garten wrote:
[a lot of people tend to see 'Signals' as Rush's low point |
I Think this album is quiet underrated. I consider it as one of the best albums of Rush. Chemistry and the 1st track are especially excellent! And this is the rare case when generic and synth-oriented sound doesen't spoil the whole picture
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Posted: February 01 2005 at 07:57 |
Sweetnighter wrote:
ivan_2068 wrote:
To start the downfall, you have to be in the top first, and honestly I don't believe Rush was ever a top prog' band.
OK, flame me or throw me your havelins
Iván
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As a Rush fan I agree. Rush was a cult band, always has been and always will be... not a cult in the sense that Rush fans constitute a particular culture, but the band, although having its limited popular appeal in the early 80s, was always supported by its fans, and I think thats what keeps the band rolling on.
...and if Rush fans do constitute a particular kind of culture, its an awfully geeky one
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Did you not read the chart placings I wrote up earlier in this thread?
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Posted: February 01 2005 at 07:58 |
Jim Garten wrote:
sigod wrote:
The last album that REALLY did it for me was Signals but there have been good moments to be had on every album since. |
Interesting you should say that S, as a lot of people tend to see 'Signals' as Rush's low point (I quite liked it myself).
I don't think Rush ever have "lost it" - except maybe occasionally in a bar on New Years Eve (hi, Alex) - since Neil Peart was bought in to replace John Rutsey, they have constantly progressed from the Led Zeppelin wannabees of the first album, through sci-fi fantasists to one of the tightest prog(ish) rock bands around today, - the fact they have done this whilst modelling some of the worst 1980's haircuts (hi, again, Alex), not to mention jackets ("Taxi for Lifeson, Taxi for Lifeson") proves (to me, anyway) that you can retain prog credentials without becoming stale, or worse, Dream Theater! |
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Swinton MCR
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Posted: February 01 2005 at 08:19 |
I thought that Signals was "Techno Pop" when I heard it ! - Geddy Lee should have stayed on Bass whilst getting a Keyboard player in and done a series of Mega-epics whilst exploring the limits of hard/rock and keyboard combination (like DT perhaps ?) - I may re-listen to Signals (it was 20 years ago I listened to it and hated it) - maybe I was wrong !
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