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Points: 10387 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 25 2006 at 20:15
Originally posted by andYouandI45 andYouandI45 wrote:

The Can for Kraut Rock, I think.

No i invented music


Amon Düül 2 were very influental too. and the first Krautrock album ever was by Amon Düül ("Psychedelic Underground"), not Amon Düül 2


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Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by Rorro Rorro wrote:

Ok Thank you, I don't Know any prog metal band that started before Dream Theater and that's why i'm asking

in my opinion the first prog-metal album is from 1969!!!! "Sea Shanties" by High Tide

I tend to agree with this quite controversial opinion of BaldJean to some extent; and if not really full prog-metal album, it can be probably called grand grand father of prog-metal. And (nowadays) I find it being more interesting than any other metal album afterwards
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Points: 28057 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 25 2006 at 20:40

As to who inveted the styles, not necessarily who was the first band to play that style completely.

Neo Progressive: Genesis circa Trick of the Tail and Wind and Wuthering (highly debatable)

Symphonic Prog: Ehn...going from English bands and barring the more avant-guard King Crimson, I'd say Yes.

RIO: I'm no expert, but It's gotta be Zappa.

Progressive Metal: King Crimson ("Red"), and Rush ("YYZ")



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Points: 46843 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 25 2006 at 20:42
Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by andYouandI45 andYouandI45 wrote:

The Can for Kraut Rock, I think.

No i invented music


Amon Düül 2 were very influental too. and the first Krautrocjk album ever was by Amon Düül ("Psychedelic Underground"), not Amon Düül 2


thanks for the correction
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Points: 3577 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 25 2006 at 20:44
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by eugene eugene wrote:

There is one thing everybody can be sure of: Magma invented Zheul




and Soft Machine for Canterbury


Not really. The Wilde Flowers were the first Canterbury group, and many of the members of TWF went on to join Soft Machine, Caravan, etc...
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Miles Davis With His "Bitches Brew" album is considered the inventor of jazz-rock fusion.
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Queensryche were the first prog. metal band, with The Warning as their self-titled wasn't so progressive
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Points: 46843 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 25 2006 at 21:50
Originally posted by meurglysIII meurglysIII wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by eugene eugene wrote:

There is one thing everybody can be sure of: Magma invented Zheul




and Soft Machine for Canterbury


Not really. The Wilde Flowers were the first Canterbury group, and many of the members of TWF went on to join Soft Machine, Caravan, etc...


ahh... I didin't know that... thanks! (Micky makes a note to check them out)
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the first post-rock albums where Slint's Spiderland and Talk Talk's Laughing stock in 1991

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Points: 8890 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 25 2006 at 22:01
Originally posted by meurglysIII meurglysIII wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by eugene eugene wrote:

There is one thing everybody can be sure of: Magma invented Zheul




and Soft Machine for Canterbury


Not really. The Wilde Flowers were the first Canterbury group, and many of the members of TWF went on to join Soft Machine, Caravan, etc...

Quiet, poindexter.
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Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

As to who inveted the styles, not necessarily who was the first band to play that style completely.

Neo Progressive: Genesis circa Trick of the Tail and Wind and Wuthering (highly debatable)

 

Never thought of the first couple post-Gabriel albums as Neo-Prog, but in retrospect I guess you could say they had moved away from being Symphonic Prog.

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Ingmar Progman invented the progressive subgenres.

He is the cousin of movie maker Ingmar Bergman!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Points: 1381 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 26 2006 at 00:13
Originally posted by Viajero Astral Viajero Astral wrote:

Pink Floyd - Psicodelic/Space Rock Nope...
King Crimson - Symphonic Prog

The pioners of Prog Metal, well, I dont know, there are a few prog metal bands before Dream Theater, and I dont know who was first. There were heavier porg bands before Dream Theater. But Queensryche was the first fully metal band to be prog. Unfortunatly, most of their stuff wasn't fully prog. This Led the way for Dreamtheater to pioneer the genre
I can strangle a canary in a tin can and it would be really original, but that wouldn't save it from sounding like utter sh*t.
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Points: 224 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 26 2006 at 01:44

I am no expert but this is my opinion

Magma: Zehul

Marillion: neo-prog

Yes: symphonic prog

Zappa: RIO

Prog metal: Queensryche was the first one but there is a clear prog metal influence on Knife from Genesis...Really listen carefully to Trespass

Italian Prog: Banco del Mutuo Soccorso

Space Rock: Pink Floyd

Jazz Fusion: good question who knows???

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Points: 559 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 26 2006 at 02:23

For symphonic prog; why does everyone think King Crimson's In The Court of The Crimson King was made before Touch?

Search Touch on this website.

What I find interesting about this little band is that members of Yes and Kansas have cited them as early influences. The song Seventy-Five off of Touch's only album sounds unusually similar to the upbeat radio prog-classics Americans should know from classic rock stations, especially similar to very early Yes and Kansas!



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Points: 1381 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 26 2006 at 09:52
hmm Interesting, i have never even heard of them. I will check it out.
I can strangle a canary in a tin can and it would be really original, but that wouldn't save it from sounding like utter sh*t.
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Points: 1381 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 26 2006 at 09:56
OK checked it out. This band had one album, in 1968( the same year as In the Court of the Crimson King) It does tell me the exact date so I can't see if it came out first. However, it is listed as proto-prog. This means its has the same amount of prog as bands like the moody blues and Zappa. I would litsen to it to see if it was more prog than those, but there are no streams on the site.
I can strangle a canary in a tin can and it would be really original, but that wouldn't save it from sounding like utter sh*t.
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Points: 3047 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 26 2006 at 13:44

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by eugene eugene wrote:

There is one thing everybody can be sure of: Magma invented Zheul




and Soft Machine for Canterbury

way to leave out Caravan

both were equally important to the Canterbury Family Tree, with the Wilde Flowers really being at the root of the genre
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Points: 508 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 26 2006 at 15:16

What About Electronic prog?

 
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Points: 3577 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 26 2006 at 15:50
Originally posted by Bluesaga Bluesaga wrote:

Originally posted by meurglysIII meurglysIII wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by eugene eugene wrote:

There is one thing everybody can be sure of: Magma invented Zheul




and Soft Machine for Canterbury


Not really. The Wilde Flowers were the first Canterbury group, and many of the members of TWF went on to join Soft Machine, Caravan, etc...

Quiet, poindexter.







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