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Points: 417 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 28 2006 at 21:45
Well. I guess I've found the answer:
 
 
Interesting note: Deep Purple admits to "borrowing" the beginning of Child In Time from It's A Beautiful Day's Bombay Calling. It's A Beautiful Day then used the tune of Wring That Neck for Don And Dewey on their Marrying Maiden album as a sort-of exchange.
On the musical side, there used to be this song Bombay Calling by a band called It's A Beautiful Day. It was fresh and original, when Jon was one day playing it on his keyboard. It sounded good, and we thought we'd play around with it, change it a bit and do something new keeping that as a base. - Ian Gillan, extract from a DPAS interview 3rd May 2002
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Points: 417 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 28 2006 at 18:51
Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

As said before on a separate thread, there has been mutual acknowledgements by  Deep Purple (30th Anniversary In Rock CD remaster liner notes) and Its A Beautiful Day (the twoforone IABD/Marrying Maiden liner notes) of where Child In Time/Bombay Calling came from: Johanne Sebastian Bach, like many other early prog tunes .
 
What Bach work was the font of the Child in time/Bombay Calling theme? I know some Bach and can't remeber without search what work was ripped off in this case.
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Points: 417 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 28 2006 at 18:47
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Child in Time is Bombay Calling
but Lazy (from Machine Head is from Don And Dewey >> another ITBD song
 
However I was not aware of Black night being lifted
 
Blackmore is from the same generation than Page and they ripped-off quite a few tunes from others
Only Page hid it better when he did so
 
Actually it's not Lazy but Wring that neck - a song for the Deep Purple Mark I second album. However, it seems that Wring that neck was written before - at least was released befor It's a Beautiful Day second album, that is the album with Don and Dewey. But we can't use this kind of logic to Child in time, released after It's a beautiful day self-titled album.
 
I agree that "borrowing" ideas is part of developing music. The problem is that in Child in time crdits we have the names of the Purple members - only them. The same aplies to Wring that neck. So it's very unfair borowing somebody's idea, developing them and not citing himat least as the creator of the mlody that "inspired" you. that's my point.
 
PS: In Rock is one of the three best rock albums ever! 
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Points: 12818 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 28 2006 at 13:24
As said before on a separate thread, there has been mutual acknowledgements by  Deep Purple (30th Anniversary In Rock CD remaster liner notes) and Its A Beautiful Day (the twoforone IABD/Marrying Maiden liner notes) of where Child In Time/Bombay Calling came from: Johanne Sebastian Bach, like many other early prog tunes - Ars Vita Brevis Longa Nice's pillage of Bach's Brandenberg Three, etc. Deep Purple admit they were turned on by IABD's version - and you can guarantee that Jon Lord who was studying musical theory as par tof his musical development at the time would have been studying the classical masters.
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Points: 7559 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 26 2006 at 03:48
The greatest artists "borrow". That is true for all of history - the trick is in adding your own touch of originality to ideas you've borrowed.

It's unlikely in the extreme for anyone to have a truly original idea - so you can still like "Child of Time"!

The important thing is not to stop questioning.
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Points: 9226 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2006 at 11:43
wow, never heard of this before
 
it's one of my favorites of all times... pity Cry
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Points: 20614 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2006 at 11:08
Child in Time is Bombay Calling
but Lazy (from Machine Head is from Don And Dewey >> another ITBD song
 
However I was not aware of Black night being lifted
 
Blackmore is from the same generation than Page and they ripped-off quite a few tunes from others
Only Page hid it better when he did so
let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
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Points: 7341 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 23 2006 at 21:04
Originally posted by mystic fred mystic fred wrote:

if i hadn't have heard "bombay calling" i wouldn't have known, it literally jumped out at me. many musicians and writers get accused of plagiarism occasionally, most famously george harrison's "my sweet lord" ("he's so fine"-george lost the case), led zeppelin's "whole lotta love" (small faces "you need loving"), and the recent controversy over "the davinci code". many of them do it hoping they won't get caught!
It's actually kind of brings recognition to lesser known artist. I never would have heard of the band Spirit as early as I did if it weren't for rumors that Led Zeppelin copyied them in Stairway to Heaven. Big smile
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Points: 4252 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 23 2006 at 11:50
if i hadn't have heard "bombay calling" i wouldn't have known, it literally jumped out at me. many musicians and writers get accused of plagiarism occasionally, most famously george harrison's "my sweet lord" ("he's so fine"-george lost the case), led zeppelin's "whole lotta love" (small faces "you need loving"), and the recent controversy over "the davinci code". many of them do it hoping they won't get caught!

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Points: 2537 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 23 2006 at 10:12
Even if it was stolen, the guitar solo and phenomenal vocals (especially on Made In Japan) make it unique.
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Points: 2167 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 23 2006 at 08:45
It was quite common in the 60's that the bands "borrowed" stuff from other bands - this was and still is an important parameter for music to develop and evolve. The Beatles did it quite extensively. But it doesn't authorize someone to massacre an otherwise great album and give it such a bad rating. There are other, more proper means to express facts and fiction. Like starting this thread.
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Points: 20056 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 23 2006 at 07:37
I've just read kazimir's review of "Deep Purple In Rock" in which he accuses them of plagiarism by stealing "Child In Time" from a song called "Bombay Calling" by "It's A Beautiful Day".

This is the first I've heard of it so I did a bit of digging. It seems that David LaFlamme of IABD pinched it from someone called Vince Wallace in the first place - see here for more details

http://www.fortunecity.com/tinpan/gramophone/873/vince.html# (sorry the Insert Hyperlink button doesn't work any more).

Deep Purple seemed to have acknowledged this themselves by releasing a DVD called "Bombay Calling" - anyone know any more about this?
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