Reasons not to like Tool

1. They are very two dimensional , and very predictable  yeah, hooray for three dimensional music...what a dumb arguement, that doesn't even mean anything, that's just like political spin, it sounds like something but it doesnt mean anything

2. all their songs sound alike  to your ear...which by that statement, doesn't appear to be very good, especially with comment 5

3. People who like Tool always tend to be people unsure about what they like  Good arguement..  this just doesn't make any sense, why not talk about music you like rather than bash things for obviously no real reason

4. Their singer resorts to fits of screaming when his voice is needed to rise to the aggression   If the guy wants to scream, who's gonna say he shouldn't just because singers didn't scream on 70s albums, doesn't mean they can't now. Maynard studied opera as a child and if you actually listen to any of their music, his "fits of screaming" can be one solid diahram "scream" for over 30 seconds, you try it

5. Their Drummer is no Peart or Bruford (lets face reality)  actually the drummer is incredibly good, playing layered polyrhymes over the band, something Peart never does, he just isn't as flashy with long descending 2112 fills

6. Their CD covers are bland  what about close to the edge...ooooh a color fade, that album must suck...another dumb arguement

7. They compress their recordings so much that clipping begins at 96 db (well below satisfactory)   I've never noticed any problem with this

8. You can buy their CD`s at Kmart (always a warning sign)  good god no! Kmart, how could they, how could they want to get there music out to the people.  So you can't by rush, genesis, yes, or the like at Kmart...of wait, i think I bought the aforementioned 2112 at a kmart

9. Tool are nerds trying to be tough guys and they fail miserably  good arguement-ha once again...anything to back this with...do they play Dungeons and Dragons with real swords or something, or maybe watch star trek reruns while cutting themselves, what?

VanBuren wrote: also, apparently there aren't many drummers here, or you just can't hear very well. The drumming with tool is actually very complex, especially on Lateralus.  Even fairly straight forward songs, like sober, have fairly complex drum parts, the beat doesn't sound good, but it actually takes a little practice to get down, because it takes a certain degree of independence that most drummers on't even worry about. and as I said before, flashy isn't the only indicator of quality.  In that sense steve hackett isn't a good guitarist because he doesn't do constant solos

Have you been reading the posts in this thread?

Almost everyone here has said Carey is an extremely talented drummer.

I am a drummer with over 30 years of experience and have been gushing about the man since the day I came onto this forum.
 

The worst thing of these threads is to see a guy with bad arguments saying bad things about a band he dislike and lots of collaborators and senior members, and admins, etc replying his post with bad arguments, because they are also based in their personal opinions and they put themselves at the same level of the topic creator. The only difference is that they are 20 against 1 and no one who has a little of sanity dares to support the topic creator to not be offended just for the fun of these members.

Seems like the ones who criticize these topics are the people who want to get attention and feel superior as the others just because they contribute more often with this site.

Only these arguments can be considered stupid:

3. People who like Tool always tend to be people unsure about what they like
8. You can buy their CD`s at Kmart (always a warning sign)
9. Tool are nerds trying to be tough guys and they fail miserably

The others  cannot be refuted. Just because you consider themselves more intelligent than the topic creator, you think that when you say that Tool music isn't predictable, their songs don't sound alike, their singer is brilliant when he screams, that their drummer is as good as Peart or Bruford (or even better), that their CD covers are superb and their recordings are of an excellent quality, you are right. It is true among yourselves, as it is true that Abba, Backstreet Boys, Guns 'n Roses are the best band ever in their fan-clubs, and it is true that Madonna, Britney Spears, Jennifer Lopez and Eminem are excellent artists and musicians to their fans.

Once I went to a second-hand record store with a friend of mine that said he liked records (vinyl) too (vinyl is out of print in Brazil since 1995).  That day I bought an Emerson, Lake and Palmer and a Genesis record (I think Works I and Foxtrot). He bought a Beatles and a Guns 'n Roses record. And that day he said he thought that Axl Rose was the best piano players of the world (talking about November Rain video clip). Did I say something like you said in this topic? Of course not. Let him believe that Axl Rose is the best pianist of the world. It was not because I was with an ELP record in my hands that I had authority to say he is wrong and he doesn't know anything about playing piano, talent and so on.

This kind of atitude is expected for these people who discovered this website two weeks ago, but it is not acceptable for the senior members, collaborators, reviewers, prog-metal specialists, etc.

Seems that there are some people who need to learn a lot.

Prog-jester wrote: You're FOOL,if you hate TOOL!!! If Lateralus had been THE ONLY ONE RELEASE from them,it would be my favouritest prog-metal band!!!

Then at least Lateralus may be your favorite prog metal album - that's something, isn't it? Actually if I remember correctly, it is currently the #5 prog metal album in the progarchives statistics.

Oops, I meant Manunkind, my mistake!  I thought Meurgly's III had changed his name as well, I'm getting confused!

Apologies their Visitor13!

MikeEnRegalia wrote: Prog-jester wrote: You're FOOL,if you hate TOOL!!! If Lateralus had been THE ONLY ONE RELEASE from them,it would be my favouritest prog-metal band!!! Then at least Lateralus may be your favorite prog metal album - that's something, isn't it? Actually if I remember correctly, it is currently the #5 prog metal album in the progarchives statistics.

Yes,it is!!!Along with some OPETH and DREAM THEATER releases...

Danny Carey is no Peart of Bruford  AAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA



http://youtube.com/watch?v=dQ1_ltwAdMU&search=danny%20 carey

http://youtube.com/watch?v=LKwLKWNqZ78&search=danny%20 carey


lets face REALITY





Edited by Hierophant

Indeed!

*smacks himself round the face*

So how's the new Tool album Snowie?

TheProgtologist wrote: VanBuren wrote: also, apparently there aren't many drummers here, or you just can't hear very well. The drumming with tool is actually very complex, especially on Lateralus.  Even fairly straight forward songs, like sober, have fairly complex drum parts, the beat doesn't sound good, but it actually takes a little practice to get down, because it takes a certain degree of independence that most drummers on't even worry about. and as I said before, flashy isn't the only indicator of quality.  In that sense steve hackett isn't a good guitarist because he doesn't do constant solos Have you been reading the posts in this thread? Almost everyone here has said Carey is an extremely talented drummer. I am a drummer with over 30 years of experience and have been gushing about the man since the day I came onto this forum.

of course I haven't, i read the topic then comment on it, i don't have time for the rest, but in this case I saw someone else who agreed with the statement ther danny carey isn't that good, which is ridiculous of course

I was hoping this wasn't going to start so soon...

but it's nice to see there are some supporters.