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Posted: September 02 2012 at 11:05

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Posted: September 02 2012 at 12:57

Post-Punk, Cold-Wave, Aetheral, Dream-Pop... But not the first "prog punk band": their first LP was released in 1982.

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Posted: September 03 2012 at 10:51

I was going to suggest early Split Enz, but that's more progressive-pop, not punk

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Posted: September 04 2012 at 19:13

The Damned? They might have held off on busting out the epics until their 1982 album The Black Album, but they always had a touch of the experimental in them. Plus, their second album was produced by Nick Mason.

Here is a recent live version of their tune "Curtain Call." This was Dave Vanian's (vocalist) tune, as he always loved the theatric side of music.

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Posted: March 04 2013 at 11:57

Were The Residents Punk in the 70's?

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Posted: March 04 2013 at 12:06

Ambient Hurricanes wrote:

Jonathan wrote:

Are you sure? Wikipedia says they are Punk.

You can never trust the Wikipedia genre classifications. I've seen some that are quite a stretch.

Jonathan wrote:

Could you give me some examples?

Bee Gees' Odessa is a prog rock album? Really?

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Posted: March 04 2013 at 12:06

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Posted: March 04 2013 at 12:07

is Prog Punk a subgenre? As much so as is Prog Funk, I reckon.

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Posted: March 04 2013 at 12:12

Does anyone else besides me think that the Vandies sounded quite punk in some places on Pawn Hearts ... like ... "Man-Erg"?

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Posted: March 04 2013 at 12:12

Jonathan wrote:

Were The Residents Punk in the 70's?

Jon Savage, author of England's Dreaming, seems to think so. And I must say he had a point there, but it would be less confusing to describe the Residents as proto-punk AND post-punk, not to forget the "avant-garde rock" label...

Er, proto-avant-post-punk??? Wacko

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Posted: March 04 2013 at 12:14

Dayvenkirq wrote:

Ambient Hurricanes wrote:

Jonathan wrote:

Are you sure? Wikipedia says they are Punk.

You can never trust the Wikipedia genre classifications. I've seen some that are quite a stretch.

Jonathan wrote:

Could you give me some examples?

Bee Gees' Odessa is a prog rock album? Really?

I think you have a point there. They also listed A Flock of Seagulls Self-Titled Debut Album as Space Rock.

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Posted: March 04 2013 at 12:15

Dayvenkirq wrote:

Does anyone else besides me think that the Vandies sounded quite punk in some places on Pawn Hearts ... like ... "Man-Erg"?

I was about to suggest them as well. Not just on Pawn Hearts, but parts of H to He and Wave, and most of Godbluff and Still Life have what I would consider to be a very punkish atmosphere. And let us not forget PH's Nadir's Big Chance.

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Posted: March 04 2013 at 20:17

^VDGG were an influence on punk, as were Captain Beefheart, Gong, Hawkwind, Can, Neu! and others.

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Posted: March 04 2013 at 22:33

IMHO if it was released before 1976 then it's not Punk, It would be Proto-Punk.

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Posted: March 04 2013 at 22:56

Jonathan wrote:

Are you sure? Wikipedia says they are Punk.

And you believed Wikipedia?? LOL

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Posted: March 04 2013 at 22:58

Never mind - I admit I am wrong on this...

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Posted: March 04 2013 at 22:58

Well at least they don't have Shakti listed as a Rock Band.

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Posted: March 04 2013 at 22:59

Jonathan wrote:

IMHO if it was released before 1976 then it's not Punk, It would be Proto-Punk.

Genesis, Lamb Lies Down - "Back in NYC" Most say this gave great impetus to Punk, and it came out in 1974...

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Posted: March 04 2013 at 23:03

^ Then, I guess, it's proto-punk.

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Posted: March 04 2013 at 23:51

Listen to Roxy Music's debut and 'Remake/Remodel' with its rather aggressive lyrics, including "I can talk, talk, talk myself to death", we are talking 1972 ! Then try "Editions of You" off the "For Your Pleasure" album. Late 1972 !

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