Who Invented Prog Styles

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if talking pure folk-prog.. I agree with you. However as Dick Heath said, Traffic and it's music is not black and white (then again when is anything musical black and white), it was never 'pure' anything hahahah.

Wasn't that what I said in my first post and you contradicted me?

of course I contradicted you hahahah..  I was trying to make the point that just because because Traffic may not have been 'pure' doesn't mean that they weren't folk.  As usual we are arguing over nothing.  trying to place or label Traffic as or not as  is rather futile since they are so hard to nail down...   I get the impression you are very much a 'black and white' person.  If it isn't 'pure' than it doesn't count.  Traffic weren't exclusively folk.. or psychedelic, or jazz.  That's what I find so interesting about them.  Is 'Dear Mr. Fantasy' folk... depends on how you look at it.. same with Traffic.  Both have strong folk influences thus I see them as folk-prog.  How you see them... is how you do.

I wrote in my first post:

Traffic IMO are the borderline of many genres and sub-genres, like Psychedelia, Art Rock, Proto Prog, POP and a slight touch of folk, but maily Psychedelic/Art Rock.

And now you agree when Sean correctly says they were not black and white

hahah the difference is in the interpetation.  My view, and if I read Sean's correctly is that Traffic is a cross of many muscial forms.. in your lexicon.. it becomes borderline. I detect a hint of 'disrespect' in that hahhah. Not to mention Traffic had anything BUT a slight touch of folk. Many of there best known and loved songs were straight up folk such as 40000 Headmen, John Barleycorn, and Rainmaker.   Anyway just bringing in another opinion into the mix... you know there is no ones opinion I hold higher than yours... so don't worry your place in my esteem is safe for now. Erik might give you a run for your money.

Traffic's first was, we all agree psychedelic (and those psychedelic tendencies to my ears are gone by the second album)  but I see it as psychedelic folk. Being that prog is just an extention of psychedelia it is not a stretch in my mind to at least consider Dear Mr. Fantasy, and strongly consider Traffic's 1968 2nd album (Traffic) folk-prog.

That0's why I believe the fathers of Folk Prog are The Strawbs, they were the ones that clearly defined the genre with their music.

Iván

and of course I disagree,  IMO Traffic set the stage in '67 for getting it together in the country and getting back to their english musical roots... it may have been in the velvet glove of psychedelia but couched in english folk music. Probaly more apparent on the 2nd album than the first.  The Stawbs may have defined it.. .that was never the question... Traffic were the fathers of it.