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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2009 at 09:28
Which is why I listen to almost no extreme metal, because I think the growling sucks.  Opeth are the only band that make it difficult for me, because Akerfeldt has a great clean voice and the music is quite good; it is just the death growls that suck and make it near impossible for me to want to spin Opeth that often.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2009 at 09:23
The sound Black Sabbath and Iron Maiden were trying to achieve was totally different than a band like say Wolves in the Throne Room or Opeth. There's a difference between dark and aggression. Sabbath is hardly an aggressive band.

I don't understand how people can listen to extreme metal and think man this would sound better if he was singing.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2009 at 08:50
Bands like Black Sabbath and Iron Maiden pulled off the dark metal songs without the growls and sound just fine doing it.  In my opinion, the cookie monster vocals are too horrible sounding to listen to and I cringe every time that they come up.  Even the ones on Ayreon's THE are cringe inducing and in my opinion the only weakness with that album; although admittedly they are limited enough to not reduce my enjoyment of that album. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2009 at 08:25

Yeah, it first seemed like this thread would only get posts from people who actually like growling, and we'd be thinking there's no objection to them. Well I don't like them. I have one album from Opeth because the musics OK, but I could listen to the music live at a festival because it was basically just mess most of the time in my ears. Don't blame me on this, it's just how it sounds to me. It's the same with a lot of music. I'm still trying to figure out when did musicians reach the point, when distortion was the only way to go about. There's basically no rock songs on radio nowadays without any distortion on the guitar. And then it was in the singing.

Of course, everything can be an art, and I don't deny that, and I appreciate people who can do something well, but it certainly is not something I'd do or pay for. Just like I wouldn't pay to go see someone juggle or do stand-up comedy. And the way I see it, a lot of growling is there to express suppressed aggression. Ever listened to those Norwegian death metal bands? Yet these guys make it sound pretty ridiculous.

There seems to be quite a lot of anger in the world nowadays, all these wrist cutting experiments, piercings, swearing, tattoos, showing offs, growling about satan. It's no wonder some might rather enjoy some Kansas for a change. Though a good point was made about Yes and Sigur Ros getting repetitive or about how all the pop music is filled with bass drums. That or rap lyrics. Another thing I can barely stand. Smile

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2009 at 08:18
Growls and screams  are my problem when listening to music,I really can't appreciate, so now I always listen to Opeth  I can stand he's growls now but before It's really irritating to my ear, and my brother is enjoying  so I'm a little jealous..LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2009 at 07:58
Originally posted by p0mt3 p0mt3 wrote:

I think for a lot of people, if someone growls, it must means they can't actually sing or carry a tune, and therefore shows lack of talent.

This is sometimes true, however even when someone cannot sing 'properly', the growling noise as you said takes a lot of talent and/or skill in its own right.

I had a stepfather once who shared this false belief that all growlers couldn't sing, so I popped in an Opeth CD for him to listen to, and boy was he shocked when I told him it was the same singer on both songs (One soft and one heavy). LOL


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2009 at 07:00
Originally posted by A Person A Person wrote:

Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by p0mt3 p0mt3 wrote:

The sooner we stop looking at growling and singing as the same thing, the better off everybody will be. They are totally different styles of vocalizing. 



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If I tried I could probably grow accustomed to growling, but right now I have hardly scratched the surface of prog metal, the only album I have listened to was Scenes From a Memory, which I liked. I don't think that they would bother me after a while, but I do wish I knew what they were saying. I guess you could say the same thing with vocals on the other end of the spectrum, i.e. Yes or maybe Sigur Ros. I can't imagine that falsetto vocals are enjoyed by everyone.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2009 at 06:49
It just sounds dreadful.
 
I can still enjoy the music though. Usually I manage to somehow just phase out the growls and concentrate on the instruments and whatever's going on. Great stuff there, some of the most expressive and exciting music arround.
 
Strangely enough, I find that usually the instrumentation is enough to convey the emotions of the music, so in the end the growl are entirely superfluous.
 
Chucking them entirely would make things much easier on the ears and the throats.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2009 at 06:29
I prefer snoring.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2009 at 02:23
Not anti, not for them, although, I prefer Vocals - Not Growls

My main problem is I can't hear the lyrics - Probably not the growler's fault , but I don't have time to learn how to hear the lyrics.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2009 at 01:56
Originally posted by p0mt3 p0mt3 wrote:

Originally posted by Deathrabbit Deathrabbit wrote:

I don't mind growls when used appropriately, but I hate when they are used to the exclusion of all other vocals, esp when it doesn't fit with the mood or subject matter. For too many bands its just a gimmicky device. However, it can also be used quite effectively as well. I love the growls the Opeth guy did on Day 12 from THE.


"The Opeth guy"?! Ouch

That's "Mr. Mikael Akerfeldt", to you! Angry

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 28 2009 at 23:57
Not related directly to metal growling, I am an animal lover:

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 28 2009 at 23:54
I wonder how people first reacted to distorted guitars.

I remember some ten years ago hearing an In Flames track, Dialogue with the Stars or something. What a brilliant track, I thought, instrumental as it was. I got my hands on another of their songs, Embody the Invisible, and was rocking out to the intro with a killer melody, and then the guy opened his mouth. Screaming. Shocked I hated it at first, but the music was so good that first I got used to it and then actually started to like it. During the years to come I stumbled upon some extreme vocalists that I really really loved, like Max Cavalera on Sepultura's Roots (too bad he's much worse on the musically more interesting earlier albums) and, you guessed it, Mikael Åkerfeldt. He can articulate every word while making the most powerful growls.

Recently I've been impressed by the vocals on Kayo Dot's Choirs of the Eye, particularly on The Manifold Curiosity. I have no idea of the lyrics in the screaming part, but it sounds so good and menacing with the music that I don't really care.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 28 2009 at 23:36
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by p0mt3 p0mt3 wrote:

The sooner we stop looking at growling and singing as the same thing, the better off everybody will be. They are totally different styles of vocalizing. 

http://www.eyefetch.com/p/st/1148960-780631ac-cd8f-44b2-9bbb-582b1ea6bdcbl.jpg

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If I tried I could probably grow accustomed to growling, but right now I have hardly scratched the surface of prog metal, the only album I have listened to was Scenes From a Memory, which I liked. I don't think that they would bother me after a while, but I do wish I knew what they were saying. I guess you could say the same thing with vocals on the other end of the spectrum, i.e. Yes or maybe Sigur Ros. I can't imagine that falsetto vocals are enjoyed by everyone.


Edited by A Person - July 28 2009 at 23:37
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 28 2009 at 22:55
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

I thought this thread could use a nice growling pic.


It beats suffering a growler wanna-be.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 28 2009 at 22:52
I thought this thread could use a nice growling pic.

Edited by Slartibartfast - July 28 2009 at 23:54
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 28 2009 at 22:27
Gorguts' Obscura being sung not screamed would be ridiculous and that album to me is as progressive as metal can be.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 28 2009 at 22:25
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by p0mt3 p0mt3 wrote:

The sooner we stop looking at growling and singing as the same thing, the better off everybody will be. They are totally different styles of vocalizing. 

http://www.eyefetch.com/p/st/1148960-780631ac-cd8f-44b2-9bbb-582b1ea6bdcbl.jpg


That seriously scares me.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 28 2009 at 22:23
I like how Opeth's the only band that's been brought up here, though really I have to admit I have yet to hear with a really brutal growl from another progressive band, though now that I think of it Demon Carcass from The Faceless is actually just as deep and brutal

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 28 2009 at 22:21
Originally posted by p0mt3 p0mt3 wrote:

The sooner we stop looking at growling and singing as the same thing, the better off everybody will be. They are totally different styles of vocalizing. 

http://www.eyefetch.com/p/st/1148960-780631ac-cd8f-44b2-9bbb-582b1ea6bdcbl.jpg


Edited by Slartibartfast - July 28 2009 at 22:52
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