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    Posted: December 21 2010 at 17:23
So I was browsing wikipedia and reading about Ege Bamyasi and the page informed me that Kanye West samples(or rather emulates quite terribly) "Sing Swan Song" on his 2007 album, Graduation. Then, a friend of mine told me that Kanye has also gotten his hands on "21st Century Schizoid Man". Despite my well-nurtured loathing for Kanye, I suppose the good in this is that Billboard Top 40-ers are going to wonder who the hell that Japanese guy is singing in the background of "Drunk and Hot Girls" and maybe find their way over here. 

It's pretty weird if you ask me. Does anyone know if Kanye is some sort of closet prog fan? 
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He also samples Mike Oldfield/Jon Anderson on his new album
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Points: 16715 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 21 2010 at 17:34

Not to jump on the newbie, but this has been beaten into the ground already.

Rappers have been sampling "progressive" music for a long time, as I recall it started primarily by plundering old jazz records, and there's a lot of other examples of rap/hip-hop using prog samples. So it's not strange for him to be sampling music that would turn off the mainstream if the whole song was being played. I don't know if he's in the closet, I don't think anybody has ever asked him how much he likes prog. 
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Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Not to jump on the newbie, but this has been beaten into the ground already.

Rappers have been sampling "progressive" music for a long time, as I recall it started primarily by plundering old jazz records, and there's a lot of other examples of rap/hip-hop using prog samples. So it's not strange for him to be sampling music that would turn off the mainstream if the whole song was being played. I don't know if he's in the closet, I don't think anybody has ever asked him how much he likes prog. 


Sampling in hip-hop is obviously not news to anyone(I mean, hearing those Eric B and Rakim jazz samples was pretty nuts!). Yet, something about Kanye West sampling prog is particularly strange to me in that the predomination of the hip-hop community that samples relatively obscure music isn't a legion of Billboard scoring rap-pop gods. Also peculiar to me is this megalomania that seems to drive Kanye's career-just look at how grandiose he's gotten over the past two years! Something makes me think that he might actually listen to this stuff he's sampling. Who knows? And I just realized that there are quite a few postings about this topic, but maybe an interview has occurred since then that may suffice to answer my question? 
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am I alone in not giving a good old f**k about Kanye West and what he listens to?

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Originally posted by Camel666 Camel666 wrote:

am I alone in not giving a good old f**k about Kanye West and what he listens to?

"It's not a stab at intellectual elitism, I just live in a bubble. While you're hearing her songs played in elevators and shopping malls everywhere, I'm standing right alongside you listening to Black Sabbath on my iPod, locked in my own world. You see, in my world, the world I've carved out for myself, pop icons and pop icons-to-be don't exist. In my world, their records get quietly released and loudly ignored by everyone - "everyone" being me. In my world, their videos don't get played, their songs don't make it onto the radio and they all quietly f**k off." - Danko Jones

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I'v wondered about this as well...but I can't imagine why he'd be content to make the music he does if he WAS a big prog fan......double sided concept album about obscure Buddhist philosophies next year please Kanye?
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Some modern nobody tries to compensate for a lack of musicianship by stealing from real artists. Let's all try and act surprised.
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Originally posted by WalterDigsTunes WalterDigsTunes wrote:

Some modern nobody tries to compensate for a lack of musicianship by stealing from real artists. Let's all try and act surprised.

Wow, Walter! I can't believe I'm saying this, but I agree with you!
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Originally posted by WalterDigsTunes WalterDigsTunes wrote:

Some modern nobody tries to compensate for a lack of musicianship by stealing from real artists. Let's all try and act surprised.

Not saying he isn't sh*t, but this is not the same as stealing. He's probably given credits, and it's obvious he's sampling from another song.

Also, stop acting like everything was brilliant in the "good ole' days" ("Some modern nobody"). Sampling has been happening since before... what was you arbitrary cut-off date for good music again? 1989? There's always been sh*t artists and there always will be sh*t artists. 
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Originally posted by Nathaniel607 Nathaniel607 wrote:

Originally posted by WalterDigsTunes WalterDigsTunes wrote:

Some modern nobody tries to compensate for a lack of musicianship by stealing from real artists. Let's all try and act surprised.

Not saying he isn't sh*t, but this is not the same as stealing. He's probably given credits, and it's obvious he's sampling from another song.

Also, stop acting like everything was brilliant in the "good ole' days" ("Some modern nobody"). Sampling has been happening since before... what was you arbitrary cut-off date for good music again? 1989? There's always been sh*t artists and there always will be sh*t artists. 



But in Walter's autistic universe mind, the sh*t artists appeared after '89.
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Points: 8633 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 21 2010 at 18:44
Oh thank god. Went almost a week without a Kanye thread. Was beginning to worry.

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are people seriously still getting angry at Walter?
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Points: 10189 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 21 2010 at 18:57
I only started using the forum a couple of months ago, I'm sure I'll start ignoring him in a week or so
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Points: 18016 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 21 2010 at 19:02
just because he doesn't like new music, doesn't mean he likes all old music.  Ask him about Pink Floyd
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Points: 249 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 21 2010 at 19:04
While it's incorrect to think he had no say in the choices, it should be noted that it's his DJ's and production team that are most likely assembling the tracks he raps over.

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Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

just because he doesn't like new music, doesn't mean he likes all old music.  Ask him about Pink Floyd

The way he says it makes it seem as though he thinks there is much more bad music currently or something.

Honestly though, I just really don't understand why anyone would have an opinion of music like his...

But you're right. Just have to ignore him. To be honest, I'm beginning to doubt he even actually hates modern music. I think he might just be a massive troll. 
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Other than his "George Bush hates black people" remark and the priceless look on Mike Myers face, I don't care about Kanye.  Go West young man.
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Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Other than his "George Bush hates black people" remark and the priceless look on Mike Myers face, I don't care about Kanye.  Go West young man.

what about his award ceremony interruption? that's my favorite. 
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Points: 10189 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 21 2010 at 19:53
Originally posted by Nathaniel607 Nathaniel607 wrote:

Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

just because he doesn't like new music, doesn't mean he likes all old music.  Ask him about Pink Floyd

The way he says it makes it seem as though he thinks there is much more bad music currently or something.

Honestly though, I just really don't understand why anyone would have an opinion of music like his...

But you're right. Just have to ignore him. To be honest, I'm beginning to doubt he even actually hates modern music. I think he might just be a massive troll. 

Doubt it. Check his Last.fm profile.
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