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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 23 2013 at 23:56
Or Television. I've only heard Marquee Moon, but that's a pretty good Art Punk album. Takes that kind of Kraut experimentation, but has that energy and angst. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 24 2013 at 12:20
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 24 2013 at 12:28
Certainly not "first" being in the 80s, but I think Minutemen had instrumental prowess well above the level of many of their peers....and for those seeking punk with "something more", they are a must.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 24 2013 at 12:38
Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

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I wanna joke and say it was The Ramones!
 
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You may laugh, but there is an argument for this.  Some thought THe Ramones were an experimental art group.  Having taken music down to its bare essentials 3min songs and no guitar solos whatsoever.  Nobody had done it before so you could say it was 'progressive' in that it moved music forward. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 24 2013 at 12:44
^ Well, by that logic, The Who had already done it first with their first album.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 24 2013 at 13:13

^ THere are guitar solos and instrumental breaks all over that album. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 24 2013 at 13:39
Oh yeah, "The Ox". Almost forgot about that one. Oops.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 24 2013 at 14:07
And the rest of course...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 24 2013 at 14:33
True, but "The Ox" is the one that immediately pops into my head.

As for the whole Ramones were an "experimental art rock"  group, I don't know whether to laugh at those who actually took the idea seriously or step back and actually do a decent analysis of it. I think I'll do both, just to be safe.

I will admit there was few albums like it at the time. Some bands would go for buzz-saw energy (e.g The Stooges), others would go for minimalistic (The Velvet Underground) and/or really short compositions (e.g The Small Faces circa their self titled Immediate debut), but I don't think anyone in 1976 would have expected someone of putting all three together, let alone release such an album to critical praise, let alone it actually be pretty good - even I have The Ramones in my current Top 10 albums of 1976.

So yeah, that's a good record. My apologies for my prickly behavior earlier.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 24 2013 at 14:48

THe theory is that it was Tommy Ramone's idea and he had influenced the sound in this direction as a project.  I don't think it cuts much mustard and the sound came about by accident.   Influenced by THe Stooges, THe Dictators, The New York Dolls ,Girl Groups of the sixties etc  but the guitar parts were too difficult for Johnny to do live so they kept it basic.. 

 
(EDIT But I suppose you could argue that something doesn't have to aim to be something to be that thing?  So just because The Ramones didn't intentionally try to be Art doesn't mean that they weren't ART.  There are plenty of bands on this site that would be surprsed to find their music listed as prog)


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 24 2013 at 15:43
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 27 2013 at 17:54
Anyone who calls the Art Bears "punk" must be out of his mind; they were an extreme avant-garde band but had nothing whatever to do with punk.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 07 2013 at 22:42
Crispy Ambulance might be considered prog-punk - The Plateau Phase from 82 certainly has elements of both prog/punk. And Hawkwind is another consideration -- PXR 5 from 79 would fit that bill. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 09 2013 at 03:39
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 09 2013 at 03:41
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 15 2013 at 09:38
The earliest good punk/prog band of which I'm aware is Van Der Graaf Generator.
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