Bootlegs
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Topic: Bootlegs
Posted By: StyLaZyn
Subject: Bootlegs
Date Posted: August 17 2006 at 10:12
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I have a few boots. I realize what it entails. I would prefer the bands allowed this distribution style, but better yet, I wish they would provide bootleg releases to fans. I think Pearl Jam and Phish do this. ------------- 
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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: August 17 2006 at 14:15
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Careful of terminology here. "Bootlegs" are live recordings which are never likely to be released commercially. You'll notice that the record companies argument in law courts, is that bootlegs are stealing revenue from the company and their artists; this was used against a bootlegger put away for 2 and half years (plus a hefty fine) in the UK. As such, these legal arguments can be quite false. Rather it is 'pirate' copies of legit recordings for which the copyright is held by the record company and (less likely) the musicians, which should be debated.
Grateful Dead were renown for encouraging bootlegs, while other bands almost insist on a strip search of fans before being allowed into gigs. One anally completist fan of King Crimson, advertised his interest in exchanging Krimson bootlegs in the wrong magazine, and received a visit from the UK copyright people one morning. This lead to an instant £2500 fine and confiscation of his 300 Krimson bootlegs - apparently his speciality wasdifferent recordings of the same gig to get the varying ambience of the performance. However, with some irony Robert Fripp has relied on bootlegs to be able to issue some of the King Crimson Collectors Club live recordings - the Central Park recording of the Red period Krimson is cobbled together from three separate boots - I guess because Fripp felt this was the definitive version of the band live and wanted to issue some form of live release.
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Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: August 17 2006 at 14:45
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The ones I have are from a friend who recorded at Page-Plant shows a bunch of years back and he said it was bootlegging. Apparently they allowed for special tickets to be sold and an area from which people could record. He made copies for me because I am a huge Zep fan. So does this constitute an infrigement? Bootlegging was allowed at the show. Although I guess you wouldn't call it as such? -------------
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Posted By: Tristan Mulders
Date Posted: August 17 2006 at 17:52
Don't see why not? I'm don't really care.. hardly ever listen to live releases, or there should be something really special included. I only have bootlegs for gigs I've been to, or so I know what to expect for an upcoming gig, but nothing else... 
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Posted By: goose
Date Posted: August 17 2006 at 18:58
And another set of terminology: amongst traders of unreleased live material, "bootleg" only refers to unofficial releases that are sold ; elsewise they're just recordings - indeed bootleggers' activities tend to be castigated by those freely (and often legally, I might add!) trading unreleased recordings (see www.dimeadozen.org or www.archive.org/details/etree) 
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Dick Heath wrote:Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: August 17 2006 at 19:17
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In the Seventies bootleg albums were white albums with a black and white information sheet on it, the names of the illegal record companies often were funny names. I have bought a lot of these albums because of the interesting live recordings, for example from early Genesis, Yes, ELP, Todd Rundgren, Marillion, Roxy Music, King Crimson and Gentle Giant. The sound quality was between mediocre and poor but this was compensated by the exciting live music that was in those days not officially released.
Nowadays the best way to purchase rare live footage is to go to Bit Torrent, if you are lucky you can get very rare prog!
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Posted By: goose
Date Posted: August 17 2006 at 19:43
| I don't have much in the way of video but I've grabbed a fair number of legal Magma, Soft Machine, KC, a couple Gentle Giant and Genesis, The Mars Volta recordings, one or two even with video from Dime. Great stuff! |
Posted By: Tristan Mulders
Date Posted: August 18 2006 at 06:50
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Oh yeah, I have a few bootleg dvd's... but those are mostly more enjoyable because of the visual aspect
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Posted By: Eetu Pellonpaa
Date Posted: August 18 2006 at 08:22
| I don't see any moral problem in downloading booties or buying some old booty vinyls, but if the artists has released these recordings himself (like late ZAPPA, CRIMSON & PURPLE) I would get the official versions instead. |
Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: August 18 2006 at 08:37
Holy crap! That site is great. A bunch of bands I never heard of though. All free at the Archive site? Shweet! 
Any recommendations for prog bands that might be there? -------------
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Posted By: Arsillus
Date Posted: August 18 2006 at 08:57
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I have quite a few bootlegs myself. Coming from the fan's perspective, I don't see a problem with them. I find with bands I have bootlegs of I have many, many official releases by them. Or is that a lame excuse?
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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: August 18 2006 at 13:43
| I have a ton of Dream theater bootlegs (non-unofficial), I can't see why not! |
Posted By: Arsillus
Date Posted: August 18 2006 at 16:54
| Non-unoffical. So you have official bootlegs? |
Posted By: goose
Date Posted: August 18 2006 at 20:51
Sadly there's practically no prog whatsoever on the archive... there's a token selection of the big names in post rock (Mogwai, GYBE!, EitS) which is pretty nice, and Estradasphere, who are excellent in a mad genre-hopping sort of way. Dime is the source for the lion's share of unofficial recordings I get, so if you know your way around bittorrent (and even if you don't: the only real requirement is a 0.25+ ratio, which isn't hard at all!) then I'd check the main page every now and then for when signups are open  as a quick idea, here's the newest page of uploads tagged as progressive rock:
Rush Milwaukee 6-13-97 (AUD) Greenslade - Stockholm, SWE - 750310 *FM* Greenslade: BBC 1973 / 1974 Smashing Pumpkins - May 11th, 1996 Swords (formerly Swords Project) Yes 2001-08-11 Columbus OH Magnification Tour w/Orchestra MASTER Crack the Sky - Painter's Mill, Baltimore 1990-12-28. NTSC DVD (aud) King Crimson Live Alabama-Halle Munich 1982-09-29 Both FM and TV versions Yes 1994-07-11 Gorge WA DAT MASTER Tool - 03-30-1997 - Torquay, Australia Mars Volta 2005-6/3 @ Greek Theater, Berkeley, CA Renaissance: New Haven, Toad's place 3-5 (?) June 1987 (last ever show) Genesis 1971-03-07 - Hogweeds - RESEED The Flower Kings Rockpalast 10 May 1996 SB Renaissance: Paris Theatre 1973 Patrice Meyer Quartet - Live At Angers 30.10.87 Dream Theater - Camden, NJ 2002-09-08 - Sonic Rage YES 2002-08-08 Camden, NJ 2 Disc NTSC DVD SBD ProShot TooleMan **Reseed Mars Volta 2006-8/7 @ The Catalyst, Santa Cruz DVD SUPERTRAMP, DIGITAL UPDATE, MADRID 24 March 1988, Palacio de los Deportes Rush - 1997-05-10 - Simulated California Wigwam: Oh My God, It's Bertha! (Käpylä 4.6.2006) Henry Cow, Milano 1977 (Edit / Remix / Remaster) Ike Willis Band - 1986 Los Angeles, unknown venue, SBD Yes JFK Stadium June 12 1976 Solos Tour, Yes' biggest venue! I'm not quite sure how the Smashing Pumpkins, among others, crept in there, but it's still a pretty nice selection considering all these were added in the last three days
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Posted By: Logos
Date Posted: August 19 2006 at 05:42
Not necessarily a live recording. |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: August 20 2006 at 08:40
Quite right - but strictly unreleased material, e.g the recently recovered Beatles Twickenham tapes - of rehearsals etc in preparation for Let It Be, were being bootlegged. Hendrix who apparently was as close to a tape recorder as much as his guitar has had studio recordings bootlegged to an extensive level, e.g Jimi Hendrix with Traffic or Hendrix with John McLaughlin - occasionally you see legitimised versions appear. Radio broadcasts by bands have been rich sources of bootlegs, so it is disappointing when you hear a legit release sound worse than a 3rd generation bootleg copied from a cassette, when you would have expected master tapes to be used - e.g. Tempest's Radio One In Concert. |
Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: August 20 2006 at 12:42
Oops
 I actually have both, unofficial and official!  |
Posted By: Intruder
Date Posted: August 23 2006 at 05:33
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My brother is sooooo far into the booties....he won't buy official releases anymore. He just hooks up with fans on the 'net and trades pirated releases with them. Everytime I go to his house he's burning another disc to send out while playing his latest cracklin' and hissin' bootleg on his hi-fi. ------------- I like to feel the suspense when you're certain you know I am there..... |
Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: August 23 2006 at 08:43
What is the attraction to a hissy recording? I think it would be annoying. -------------
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Posted By: Arsillus
Date Posted: August 23 2006 at 08:47
You have to go for the good ones only.
Soundboards are the best. |
Posted By: Alucard
Date Posted: August 23 2006 at 12:23
I remember in some record shops they were filed together with the 'regular records', especially in Italy and the Netherlands, sometimes with these funny made up inside labels. one of my favourite boots is a 3 record set with the complete Pink Floyd Hollywood bowl concert 1973 and another PF 'Ohm Sweet Ohm' with 'Atom Heart Mother'.(much better without the pompous orchestra) ------------- Tadpoles keep screaming in my ear "Hey there! Rotter's Club! Explain the meaning of this song and share it" |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: August 24 2006 at 13:54
| Made the mistake on one of my travels of buying what seemed to be a good book, on the history of rock band concert bootlegs (Pengiun paperbacks?), in a remainders sale. It was a very good read until I discovered several months after buying it that 80+pages covering the 80's were missing, while 80 pages were duplicated - never found a replacement copy |
Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: August 24 2006 at 14:18
OMG that sucks. But was the content decent ? -------------
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