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Topic: 5 (perhaps catastrophically) bad songs
Posted By: Hnrz
Subject: 5 (perhaps catastrophically) bad songs
Date Posted: July 01 2014 at 08:20
Just thought it might be fun/vaguely controversial to have a thread about those songs that you feel really don't hit the mark. Including reasons is helpful, no matter how spurious! 

Here's a few off the top of my head.

Jethro Tull - Under Wraps     (Symbolises what went wrong in the eighties, IMO Disco Folk is not a good genre to aim for)

Peter Hammil - Magog         (Why taint a beautiful album by such a random lengthy virtually unlistenable inclusion?)

ELP - Benny the Bouncer     (When the vocals come in, this song it makes me want to cut my ears off)

Pink Floyd - On the run        (I suppose it might have been new at the time, but I have always hated this song for it's lack of ,well, being a song)

Transatlantic - Charlotte Suite Pike    (It takes cheesy to a whole new level)




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Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: July 01 2014 at 08:38
Dang. Thought this was going to be a thread about songs dealing with catastrophes in some way or another. Was all ready with several songs I like that are either apocalyptic or dealing with some catastrophe or another.

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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: July 01 2014 at 08:41
Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

Dang. Thought this was going to be a thread about songs dealing with catastrophes in some way or another. Was all ready with several songs I like that are either apocalyptic or dealing with some catastrophe or another.
That thread would interest me.  This negative thread does not.


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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: July 01 2014 at 08:43
Originally posted by Hnrz Hnrz wrote:

Just thought it might be fun/vaguely controversial to have a thread about those songs that you feel really don't hit the mark. Including reasons is helpful, no matter how spurious! 

Here's a few off the top of my head.

Jethro Tull - Under Wraps     (Symbolises what went wrong in the eighties, IMO Disco Folk is not a good genre to aim for)

Peter Hammil - Magog         (Why taint a beautiful album by such a random lengthy virtually unlistenable inclusion?)

ELP - Benny the Bouncer     (When the vocals come in, this song it makes me want to cut my ears off)

Pink Floyd - On the run        (I suppose it might have been new at the time, but I have always hated this song for it's lack of ,well, being a song)

Transatlantic - Charlotte Suite Pike    (It takes cheesy to a whole new level)

I like Suite Charlotte Pike.


Posted By: PC-72
Date Posted: July 01 2014 at 09:14
Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:


Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

Dang. Thought this was going to be a thread about songs dealing with catastrophes in some way or another. Was all ready with several songs I like that are either apocalyptic or dealing with some catastrophe or another.
That thread would interest me.  This negative thread does not.


We...could always...derail this one a wee bit... ...couldn't we?

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Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: July 01 2014 at 09:40
Alrighty - I'll start us off:

Some of my favorites include
Genesis - Domino (nuclear war)
VDGG - After the Flood (environmental disaster)
Rocket Scientists - Oblivion Days (environmental disaster)
Marillion - Seasons End (environmental disaster)
Jefferson Airplane - House at Pooneil Corners (nuclear war)

and one more, Camel's For Today about 9/11. Or at least inspired by the events of 9/11.

What are some others?

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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: July 01 2014 at 10:24
Barclay James Harvest's After The Day has a nice explosion in the end.
The title and the sound of the explosion make me think that it might have something to do with the atomic bomb.


Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: July 01 2014 at 11:37
Marillion- Estonia (about the sinking of passenger liner).

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Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: July 01 2014 at 11:40
Both excellent songs. You are correct Moogtron III, After the Day was about nuclear war. I thought of another one about the bomb dropping on Hiroshima. Rush - The Manhattan Project.

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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: July 01 2014 at 11:47
Black Bonzo has Sound of the Apocalypse.

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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: July 01 2014 at 15:25
Originally posted by Hnrz Hnrz wrote:

Just thought it might be fun/vaguely controversial to have a thread about those songs that you feel really don't hit the mark. Including reasons is helpful, no matter how spurious! 

Here's a few off the top of my head.

Jethro Tull - Under Wraps     (Symbolises what went wrong in the eighties, IMO Disco Folk is not a good genre to aim for)

Peter Hammil - Magog         (Why taint a beautiful album by such a random lengthy virtually unlistenable inclusion?)

ELP - Benny the Bouncer     (When the vocals come in, this song it makes me want to cut my ears off)

Pink Floyd - On the run        (I suppose it might have been new at the time, but I have always hated this song for it's lack of ,well, being a song)

Transatlantic - Charlotte Suite Pike    (It takes cheesy to a whole new level)


On The Run works well live with the back projection of someone flying on a bed as Roger Waters did it.
 

I will just name one track that drags down a classic album

Genesis - Battle Of Epping Forest 

some think its clever and satirical but if I wanted 'Monty Python Progressive Rock Band Extraordinaire' I would have asked for one




Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: July 01 2014 at 15:29
^ But that's was progressive music is - "music without prejudice", as Steve Hackett once put it. You are either on board with what we are doing as a band or not.


Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: July 01 2014 at 19:32
I was starting to list songs based on the thread title.  Sometimes I wish for a little more clarity in thread titles. Angry LOL  You have not hit the mark and you are just going to have to deal with it or revise the title. Big smile

There are plenty of good songs out there about catastrophic events and I see no reason why I should waste my time listening to the bad ones as this is it and we're all going to die!!!


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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: July 02 2014 at 01:27
Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

^ But that's was progressive music is - "music without prejudice", as Steve Hackett once put it. You are either on board with what we are doing as a band or not.

Counting Out Time was much better , more humurous and a whole lot shorter. Musically Epping just lacks and the temptation to play around with silly accents got the better of them imo. I think its a horrible lazy filler of a track but thats just my opinion which is probably sh*t anywayWink


Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: July 02 2014 at 03:27
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:


 
I will just name one track that drags down a classic album

Genesis - Battle Of Epping Forest 

some think its clever and satirical but if I wanted 'Monty Python Progressive Rock Band Extraordinaire' I would have asked for one




I like the rest of the album hugely and agree with this wholeheartedly. In places BOEF is so bad it approaches 'unwittingly comedic' (but then I adore Benny the Bouncer)


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Posted By: ole-the-first
Date Posted: July 02 2014 at 03:36
Queen — Delilah.

I have no clue how such a disaster could occur on an otherwise perfect album.


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Posted By: snowsnow
Date Posted: July 02 2014 at 05:18
I've always liked a few tracks off the Under Wraps album including the title tracks 1 & 2.

The Return of the Giant Hogweed - a particularly silly song that spoils an otherwise delightful album (IMHO)



Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: July 02 2014 at 05:41
Originally posted by snowsnow snowsnow wrote:


The Return of the Giant Hogweed - a particularly silly song that spoils an otherwise delightful album (IMHO)


No way, a brilliant song and a Genesis classic (which is why Hackett is still playing it). And is it any more silly than a song about a man who cuts his toes off and serves them for tea?


Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: July 02 2014 at 06:07
^ Agreed. One of the best ever Genesis tracks in my book. Who can resist a song about a vengeful eastern european shrub? (coming over here, taking our jobs...)

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Posted By: Hnrz
Date Posted: July 02 2014 at 06:47
Funnily enough, I think my least favourite 'story themed' Gensis track is 'All in a Mouse's Night'. Maybe such tracks need to have a good dose of fantasy (such as menacing shrubs and genetic control regulations) in order to work!


Posted By: snowsnow
Date Posted: July 02 2014 at 07:20
Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:






And is it any more silly than a song about a man who cuts his toes off and serves them for tea?
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NO! I take toe amputation very seriously!!!


Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: July 02 2014 at 08:00
Originally posted by Hnrz Hnrz wrote:

Funnily enough, I think my least favourite 'story themed' Gensis track is 'All in a Mouse's Night'. Maybe such tracks need to have a good dose of fantasy (such as menacing shrubs and genetic control regulations) in order to work!

Now that I would agree with. 


Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: July 03 2014 at 01:46
Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Hnrz Hnrz wrote:

Funnily enough, I think my least favourite 'story themed' Gensis track is 'All in a Mouse's Night'. Maybe such tracks need to have a good dose of fantasy (such as menacing shrubs and genetic control regulations) in order to work!

Now that I would agree with. 

I quite like that one must admit


Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: July 03 2014 at 02:30
Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Black Bonzo has Sound of the Apocalypse.

what's that supposed to mean ?? SotA from Black Bonzo is the best non-Uriah Heep album I've ever heard.
Try Gentle Giant's 1978 album 'Giant For A Day'. A true 'dumbing down' if thee ever was one......


Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: July 03 2014 at 02:40
Hogweed?  Epping?  Be serious, not absurd; this is catastrophically bad songs, not pet peeves that brought down some album for you.   Now, the Beatles' "If You've Got Trouble", that's a catastrophe.


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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: July 03 2014 at 02:50
^ speaking of catastrofu*ks, Are You Ready Eddy? (If only the answer had been ..No? although it doesn't conspire to ruin the Tarkus album)

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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: July 03 2014 at 05:31
Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

^ speaking of catastrofu*ks, Are You Ready Eddy? (If only the answer had been ..No? although it doesn't conspire to ruin the Tarkus album)

That's a good laugh, a nice ending to quite a serious album imo.


Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: July 03 2014 at 05:31
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

   Now, the Beatles' "If You've Got Trouble", that's a catastrophe.

Or Mr Moonlight.


Posted By: ghost_of_morphy
Date Posted: July 03 2014 at 11:15
Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

Dang. Thought this was going to be a thread about songs dealing with catastrophes in some way or another. Was all ready with several songs I like that are either apocalyptic or dealing with some catastrophe or another.
That thread would interest me.  This negative thread does not.

On the other hand, this negative thread does let me mention the entire body of work from the Boomtown Rats.


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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: July 03 2014 at 11:21
Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Black Bonzo has Sound of the Apocalypse.

what's that supposed to mean ?? SotA from Black Bonzo is the best non-Uriah Heep album I've ever heard.
Try Gentle Giant's 1978 album 'Giant For A Day'. A true 'dumbing down' if thee ever was one......
It is supposed to mean that the Apocalypse is a catastrophe and this is a really good song about a catastrophe.


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Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: July 03 2014 at 12:22
Two suns in the sunset

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Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: July 03 2014 at 13:18
Oh, very, very good one. How could I have forgotten that gem?

Ya know, I think we've got two different threads in one here. Perhaps it's time to open up a new thread for those interested in apocalyptic or catastrophic songs.

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Posted By: bloodnarfer
Date Posted: July 03 2014 at 13:40
The Black Stone on Hubardo is a song that I just haven't been able to listen to all the way through.  I can't take it seriously, it sounds like the cookie monster trying to empty his bowels.  The rest of the album is excellent though.

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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: July 03 2014 at 13:51
Pretty much any track off of Tim Hecker's VirginsTongue
Yep, I really don't like that one. I've tried though...


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Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: July 03 2014 at 22:15
Originally posted by bloodnarfer bloodnarfer wrote:

The Black Stone on Hubardo is a song that I just haven't been able to listen to all the way through.  I can't take it seriously, it sounds like the cookie monster trying to empty his bowels.  The rest of the album is excellent though.
I heard that track once and it was cringe. 


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Posted By: iluvmarillion
Date Posted: July 04 2014 at 01:20
Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

   Now, the Beatles' "If You've Got Trouble", that's a catastrophe.

Or Mr Moonlight.

How about we go to a really good Beatles album? The White Album. "Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da", now that's a really bad McCartney song, but some people like it. 


Posted By: iluvmarillion
Date Posted: July 04 2014 at 01:24
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Hnrz Hnrz wrote:

Funnily enough, I think my least favourite 'story themed' Gensis track is 'All in a Mouse's Night'. Maybe such tracks need to have a good dose of fantasy (such as menacing shrubs and genetic control regulations) in order to work!

Now that I would agree with. 

I quite like that one must admit

Agree with you about the song musically but the lyrics are terrible. Epping Forest and Giant Hedgehog have masterful lyrics by comparison. 


Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: July 04 2014 at 12:16
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Hnrz Hnrz wrote:

Just thought it might be fun/vaguely controversial to have a thread about those songs that you feel really don't hit the mark. Including reasons is helpful, no matter how spurious! 

Here's a few off the top of my head.

Jethro Tull - Under Wraps     (Symbolises what went wrong in the eighties, IMO Disco Folk is not a good genre to aim for)

Peter Hammil - Magog         (Why taint a beautiful album by such a random lengthy virtually unlistenable inclusion?)

ELP - Benny the Bouncer     (When the vocals come in, this song it makes me want to cut my ears off)

Pink Floyd - On the run        (I suppose it might have been new at the time, but I have always hated this song for it's lack of ,well, being a song)

Transatlantic - Charlotte Suite Pike    (It takes cheesy to a whole new level)


On The Run works well live with the back projection of someone flying on a bed as Roger Waters did it.
 

I will just name one track that drags down a classic album

Genesis - Battle Of Epping Forest 

some think its clever and satirical but if I wanted 'Monty Python Progressive Rock Band Extraordinaire' I would have asked for one


Yep...never cared for Epping Forest....always ruined the LP for me. It's simply a very mediocre track.

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Posted By: Bitterblogger
Date Posted: August 10 2014 at 14:26
Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:


Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

Dang. Thought this was going to be a thread about songs dealing with catastrophes in some way or another. Was all ready with several songs I like that are either apocalyptic or dealing with some catastrophe or another.
That thread would interest me.  This negative thread does not.


Then let's hijack, er, save it

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Posted By: ghost_of_morphy
Date Posted: August 11 2014 at 17:12
Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Hnrz Hnrz wrote:

Just thought it might be fun/vaguely controversial to have a thread about those songs that you feel really don't hit the mark. Including reasons is helpful, no matter how spurious! 

Here's a few off the top of my head.

Jethro Tull - Under Wraps     (Symbolises what went wrong in the eighties, IMO Disco Folk is not a good genre to aim for)

Peter Hammil - Magog         (Why taint a beautiful album by such a random lengthy virtually unlistenable inclusion?)

ELP - Benny the Bouncer     (When the vocals come in, this song it makes me want to cut my ears off)

Pink Floyd - On the run        (I suppose it might have been new at the time, but I have always hated this song for it's lack of ,well, being a song)

Transatlantic - Charlotte Suite Pike    (It takes cheesy to a whole new level)

I like Suite Charlotte Pike.

Great.  So do I.  On the Run is very good and Benny the Bouncer isn't as bad as it's rep.  Any hate thread that doesn't include The Circus of Heaven, Invisible Touch and the first half of Love Beach is entirely lacking in street cred.


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Posted By: zachfive
Date Posted: August 12 2014 at 23:03
Originally posted by ghost_of_morphy ghost_of_morphy wrote:

 
...Any hate thread that doesn't include The Circus of Heaven, Invisible Touch and the first half of Love Beach is entirely lacking in street cred.

Am I the only one who like Circus of Heaven? The first time I heard that song I thought it was great. I also like the entire Tormato album, and after listening to it I came to the archives to see what others thought,and I was surprised how much hate it receives.


Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: August 13 2014 at 02:45
On the Catastrop topic

Fripp/Gabriels : Here Comes the Flood


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Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: August 13 2014 at 02:48
Originally posted by zachfive zachfive wrote:

Originally posted by ghost_of_morphy ghost_of_morphy wrote:

 
...Any hate thread that doesn't include The Circus of Heaven, Invisible Touch and the first half of Love Beach is entirely lacking in street cred.

Am I the only one who like Circus of Heaven? The first time I heard that song I thought it was great. I also like the entire Tormato album, and after listening to it I came to the archives to see what others thought,and I was surprised how much hate it receives.


No, I think Tormato is a fine album too, different to what Yes was doing before, but absolutely not bad.


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Posted By: BarryGlibb
Date Posted: August 13 2014 at 03:49
Originally posted by Hnrz Hnrz wrote:

Just thought it might be fun/vaguely controversial to have a thread about those songs that you feel really don't hit the mark. Including reasons is helpful, no matter how spurious! 

Here's a few off the top of my head.

Jethro Tull - Under Wraps     (Symbolises what went wrong in the eighties, IMO Disco Folk is not a good genre to aim for)

Peter Hammil - Magog         (Why taint a beautiful album by such a random lengthy virtually unlistenable inclusion?)

ELP - Benny the Bouncer     (When the vocals come in, this song it makes me want to cut my ears off)

Pink Floyd - On the run        (I suppose it might have been new at the time, but I have always hated this song for it's lack of ,well, being a song)

Transatlantic - Charlotte Suite Pike    (It takes cheesy to a whole new level)


I have to take you to task re Under Wraps i.e. the song, more correctly 2 songs; Under Wraps #1 and Under Wraps #2, both of which in my opinion are in fact fabulous songs. The dissing of Under Wraps in general is actually "getting on my goat", which is an old Australian expression that means "p*ssing me orf"!



Posted By: snowsnow
Date Posted: August 13 2014 at 04:26
Originally posted by zachfive zachfive wrote:


Originally posted by ghost_of_morphy ghost_of_morphy wrote:

 <span style="line-height: 1.2;">...Any hate thread that doesn't include The Circus of Heaven, Invisible Touch and the first half of Love Beach is entirely lacking in street cred.</span>

Am I the only one who like Circus of Heaven? The first time I heard that song I thought it was great. I also like the entire Tormato album, and after listening to it I came to the archives to see what others thought,and I was surprised how much hate it receives.


I think the problem I have with Tormato isn't that it is a dreadful album, but that expectations were so high after a brilliant run of albums that is was a real letdown. I'm sure the band felt the same way if you read their various comments. Howe and Wakeman seem to be having a private battle to see who can play the most notes in any particular song!


Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: August 13 2014 at 07:25
Originally posted by BarryGlibb BarryGlibb wrote:

Originally posted by Hnrz Hnrz wrote:

Just thought it might be fun/vaguely controversial to have a thread about those songs that you feel really don't hit the mark. Including reasons is helpful, no matter how spurious! 

Here's a few off the top of my head.

Jethro Tull - Under Wraps     (Symbolises what went wrong in the eighties, IMO Disco Folk is not a good genre to aim for)

Peter Hammil - Magog         (Why taint a beautiful album by such a random lengthy virtually unlistenable inclusion?)

ELP - Benny the Bouncer     (When the vocals come in, this song it makes me want to cut my ears off)

Pink Floyd - On the run        (I suppose it might have been new at the time, but I have always hated this song for it's lack of ,well, being a song)

Transatlantic - Charlotte Suite Pike    (It takes cheesy to a whole new level)


I have to take you to task re Under Wraps i.e. the song, more correctly 2 songs; Under Wraps #1 and Under Wraps #2, both of which in my opinion are in fact fabulous songs. The dissing of Under Wraps in general is actually "getting on my goat", which is an old Australian expression that means "p*ssing me orf"!


Negative treads should be banned, trowing dirt on what others like ? What is the point of that.
In a otherwise ok debate, it's hard not to show you affections and the opposite, but as main focus of a tread, finding the prog you hate the most, I don't see the point.



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Posted By: Billy Pilgrim
Date Posted: August 13 2014 at 16:22
Tool's Aenema comes to mind for catastrophe songs, and Godspeed You Black Emperor feels like a soundtrack to the apocalypse.


Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: August 13 2014 at 16:47
Henry Cow has produced at least that.


Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: August 13 2014 at 21:58
Pick 5 from Love beach by ELP.....
 
 


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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: August 14 2014 at 09:23
Originally posted by snowsnow snowsnow wrote:

Originally posted by zachfive zachfive wrote:


Originally posted by ghost_of_morphy ghost_of_morphy wrote:

 <span style="line-height: 1.2;">...Any hate thread that doesn't include The Circus of Heaven, Invisible Touch and the first half of Love Beach is entirely lacking in street cred.</span>

Am I the only one who like Circus of Heaven? The first time I heard that song I thought it was great. I also like the entire Tormato album, and after listening to it I came to the archives to see what others thought,and I was surprised how much hate it receives.


I think the problem I have with Tormato isn't that it is a dreadful album, but that expectations were so high after a brilliant run of albums that is was a real letdown. I'm sure the band felt the same way if you read their various comments. Howe and Wakeman seem to be having a private battle to see who can play the most notes in any particular song!

That may be so, yes.
Nice album, but indeed, such a range of masterpieces before that one.



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