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    Posted: August 31 2021 at 20:49
For me it's between One Shot, Yochk'o or Jannick. Leaning towards Mr. Top on this one.

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Know all, Archaia for me, folllowed by Hhai and Ghilgoul.

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Live/Hhai over One Shot and Top, 
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I hate not to vote for Magma, but Archaia’s self titled is a great album, so it gets my vote.
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Know all, Archaia for me, folllowed by Hhai and Ghilgoul.

I was predicting Seffer for your vote by memory so this vote comes out of left field for me. Such a unique sounding band with two of the guys playing synths and from 1977.
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I hate not to vote for Magma, but Archaia’s self titled is a great album, so it gets my vote.

To see Archaia leading at any point is surprising but maybe this will get some Zeuhl fans to check them out.
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Live/Hhai over One Shot and Top, 

Man I went with Top but usually I take One Shot in just about any poll I see them in. The late James Mac Gaw was not only One Shot's guitarist but he plays on that Top album.
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Originally posted by Mellotron Storm Mellotron Storm wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Know all, Archaia for me, folllowed by Hhai and Ghilgoul.


I was predicting Seffer for your vote by memory so this vote comes out of left field for me. Such a unique sounding band with two of the guys playing synths and from 1977.


Your memory is sound (quite a long memory methinks) and it was a good prediction based on my voting and comments in the past. I do like Seffer very much. I very much liked Archaļa in the past but I grew to really love that album, partially because it as unique in the Zeuhl universe as it is. It was the automatic stand-out this time, with the music starting in my head from it as soon as I saw the name. Archaļa has to be one of my favourite Zeuhl albums to return to, and of the non-Magma albums, it's been one of the ones that I have returned to the most (along with Dün's Eros, Eskaton's 4 Visions, Rahmann...). I like all of the albums in the poll, including the Musique Noise album, which I have seen maligned and I have defended in the past. It's hard to go really wrong when it comes to Zeuhl for me.
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Zeuhl like Canterbury is simply something I have to check out everything even slightly related. I always find it interesting. I seem to enjoy pretty much all of it to some extent. Much like Logan, Archaļa, Dün - Eros, Eskaton's 4 Visions and Rahmann are the ones I've returned to the most (I could add Kultivator, Noa and Rhesus O, but early Art Zoyd sounds more Zeuhl than any of those really).

Archaļa gets my vote here. Apart from Magma themselves who paved new way, expanded their universe and somewhat reinvented themselves on pretty much each and every studio album up to Attahk - it's the most unique Zeuhl album I've ever heard. Such dark, occult-sounding and almost fragile beauty.

"Funnily" I've come close to actively dislike that first Magma-live album everyone else is so crazy about. Didier Lockwood (nearly) ruins it for me. I enjoy him on other albums but I don't dig self indulgent fusionw**k whether its done on electric guitar or violin. That grating intensity on Mekanik Zain comes across as sort of "fake" to my ears. But Didier was still in his teens, and I love him in Zao and Visitors* (*recorded one year earlier). Of course there's still a lot of great music and wonderful performances to be found on it, but Magma has plenty of better live albums.




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Archaia > Magma > Seffer > One Shot > Top

The Archaia and Magma are both excellent. I'll just give it to Archaia. It's dark and strange, one of my favorite non-Magma zeuhl albums.


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I know half! I have a thing for the Bulgarian folk voices--which Infernal Machina always reminds me of. Thus, Jannick's powerful album gets my vote. (And what a lineup!)

All the acclaim for the Archaia album made be revisit it--both the original and the cleaned up 1998 reissue. While it's cool, it's fairly simple music at times dominated by a very STEVE HILLAGE-sounding fuzz guitar--a sound I came to loathe back in the 70s (and still do), so I just can't get on the bandwagon here.

Never much of a fan of live albums (though a great advocate and fan of live music--seeing/experiencing music live), it makes sense that Magma live albums would be valued and cherished. I've only become more of a fan of live albums when rendered in a video/DVD format (I guess, psychologically, it brings me closer to the live experience.) Live Hhai is great music, pretty well recorded (and remastered), but the drumming is, IMO, recorded poorly and the sound in general exposes the weaknesses of Magma's "bare" live sound when the band is using a "smaller" lineup. I much prefer the expanded, big-band lineups--on stage and in the creation of those soul-expanding musics. It's like the difference between hearing the Beatles sing the final jam of "Hey, Jude" and having a stadium of 10,000+ joining in (despite issues with staying on key and in time). 

Though I've loved the Zao I've explored, I've never yet tried out a Seffer album! Time to get my butt in gear!

Thanks, again, John for putting these polls together! I'm loving the new music!
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Voted Yochk'o Seffer - Ghilgoul, amazing album!! my favourite Tracks are "Dag" and "Dailn", to me its a crossing of Henry Cow, Zappa, zeuhl rhiytms and hungarian folklore!!

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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Originally posted by Mellotron Storm Mellotron Storm wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Know all, Archaia for me, folllowed by Hhai and Ghilgoul.


I was predicting Seffer for your vote by memory so this vote comes out of left field for me. Such a unique sounding band with two of the guys playing synths and from 1977.


Your memory is sound (quite a long memory methinks) and it was a good prediction based on my voting and comments in the past. I do like Seffer very much. I very much liked Archaļa in the past but I grew to really love that album, partially because it as unique in the Zeuhl universe as it is. It was the automatic stand-out this time, with the music starting in my head from it as soon as I saw the name. Archaļa has to be one of my favourite Zeuhl albums to return to, and of the non-Magma albums, it's been one of the ones that I have returned to the most (along with Dün's Eros, Eskaton's 4 Visions, Rahmann...). I like all of the albums in the poll, including the Musique Noise album, which I have seen maligned and I have defended in the past. It's hard to go really wrong when it comes to Zeuhl for me.

Thanks so much for mentioning Musique Noise led by the original Eskaton keyboard player. I completely agree obviously because they are part of my top 30 but yeah described as Zeuhl-lite or Magma copy cats which I disagree with. I was taken back when I first heard it because I wasn't expecting much. I will say that when the male singers are singing I'm thinking Magma and when the females sing I can't help but think of Eskaton.
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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Zeuhl like Canterbury is simply something I have to check out everything even slightly related. I always find it interesting. I seem to enjoy pretty much all of it to some extent. Much like Logan, Archaļa, Dün - Eros, Eskaton's 4 Visions and Rahmann are the ones I've returned to the most (I could add Kultivator, Noa and Rhesus O, but early Art Zoyd sounds more Zeuhl than any of those really).

Archaļa gets my vote here. Apart from Magma themselves who paved new way, expanded their universe and somewhat reinvented themselves on pretty much each and every studio album up to Attahk - it's the most unique Zeuhl album I've ever heard. Such dark, occult-sounding and almost fragile beauty.

"Funnily" I've come close to actively dislike that first Magma-live album everyone else is so crazy about. Didier Lockwood (nearly) ruins it for me. I enjoy him on other albums but I don't dig self indulgent fusionw**k whether its done on electric guitar or violin. That grating intensity on Mekanik Zain comes across as sort of "fake" to my ears. But Didier was still in his teens, and I love him in Zao and Visitors* (*recorded one year earlier). Of course there's still a lot of great music and wonderful performances to be found on it, but Magma has plenty of better live albums.





Man thanks again for taking the time to give such a detailed response. It's just so interesting to hear opinions, especially from people like you who know their music. One of my biggest pleasures was exploring Zeuhl for the first time and all the discoveries. And yes the same for Canterbury, Krautrock and RPI in particular. 
When I went through my Magma albums over a week or so playing and replaying trying to find my present favourites I was surprised at how drawn I was to magma's live records. In fact I just looked a couple of days ago at the 5 I did pick and noticed similar lineups and that they were all from 1974 to 1976 which surprised me a little.
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Great album by Jannick Top, fine live album by Magma, don't know any of the other albums in full, yes, I probably should. 
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Originally posted by BrufordFreak BrufordFreak wrote:

I know half! I have a thing for the Bulgarian folk voices--which Infernal Machina always reminds me of. Thus, Jannick's powerful album gets my vote. (And what a lineup!)

All the acclaim for the Archaia album made be revisit it--both the original and the cleaned up 1998 reissue. While it's cool, it's fairly simple music at times dominated by a very STEVE HILLAGE-sounding fuzz guitar--a sound I came to loathe back in the 70s (and still do), so I just can't get on the bandwagon here.

Never much of a fan of live albums (though a great advocate and fan of live music--seeing/experiencing music live), it makes sense that Magma live albums would be valued and cherished. I've only become more of a fan of live albums when rendered in a video/DVD format (I guess, psychologically, it brings me closer to the live experience.) Live Hhai is great music, pretty well recorded (and remastered), but the drumming is, IMO, recorded poorly and the sound in general exposes the weaknesses of Magma's "bare" live sound when the band is using a "smaller" lineup. I much prefer the expanded, big-band lineups--on stage and in the creation of those soul-expanding musics. It's like the difference between hearing the Beatles sing the final jam of "Hey, Jude" and having a stadium of 10,000+ joining in (despite issues with staying on key and in time). 

Though I've loved the Zao I've explored, I've never yet tried out a Seffer album! Time to get my butt in gear!

Thanks, again, John for putting these polls together! I'm loving the new music!

I remember how much you liked that Top album and I'm glad your getting to listen to some old new stuff.Big smile
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Voted Yochk'o Seffer - Ghilgoul, amazing album!! my favourite Tracks are "Dag" and "Dailn", to me its a crossing of Henry Cow, Zappa, zeuhl rhiytms and hungarian folklore!!

A definite Avant vibe to that Seffer album at times. Nice description too. What a talented man doing the artwork here and for Zao. And he was part of Magma in the early days which is pretty cool.
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Originally posted by tszirmay tszirmay wrote:

I am taking only ONE SHOT at this poll! 

Ouch missed the poll but got me. Man how did I not vote for them? 
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