What is this with the new <defer...

^ I guess I should have warned you. Do not attempt to edit such posts made when we had the editor enabled. It will result in such a garbled mess. I have made that mistake before and I would not have cared much if it has been my post, but I totally messed up another and trying to fix it was a nightmare.

This is how my text currently looks without the aid of the WYSIWYG post editor to line everything up neatly. So far, I've only managed to repair the first six lines on the list, which took about an hour.

2000: After Forever - Prison of Desire - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLUg8XbTFjoz2o5DyyDEYdd36IwcMcf6Yf
2001: After Forever - Decipher - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44BNkccoluU
2004: After Forever - Invisible Circles - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ezd3zzMqCDU
2005: After Forever - Remagine - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOkKAe_Lj1E
2007: After Forever - After Forever - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lw9aKQO1O6o

1992: Agharta - Shades of Secrets - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL2j-bldMfvtFqdDa0jKS2aQjkEwx04eqm


<div style=": rgb248, 248, 252;">                  2003: Aina - Days of Rising Doom - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aJiZPOocPw<div style=": rgb248, 248, 252;">
<div style=": rgb248, 248, 252;">                  2016: Alarion - Waves of Destruction - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nuijhDyi1u9EkDL1Yi6YQMdV1gYljL5e8<div style=": rgb248, 248, 252;">
<div style=": rgb248, 248, 252;"> 4 stars 2001: Ambeon - Fate of a Dreamer - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLUpIVP6xDDHK2fPAkVsMb7-CgO3RTPX9i<div style=": rgb248, 248, 252;">
<div style=": rgb248, 248, 252;">                  2000: Anomaly - Anomaly - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhA88DrK1UY<div style=": rgb248, 248, 252;">
<div style=": rgb248, 248, 252;">                  1994: Arabesque - Beyond the Veil<div style=": rgb248, 248, 252;">                  2002: Arabesque - The Union - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mI4MEEItA6AsWEwJkXSKvJ-85gHrjY7dg<div style=": rgb248, 248, 252;">
<div style=": rgb248, 248, 252;">                  2015: Armed Cloud - Obsidian Desert - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLM3HK5v_QdhZ-RoLUja0xVoV7HjBEo_cs<div style=": rgb248, 248, 252;">                  2017: Armed Cloud - Master Device & Slave Machines - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEcey06y1zcFOvAR7vUc-REKWaD1Lff2H<div style=": rgb248, 248, 252;">                  2020: Armed Cloud - Torque - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEcey06y1zcEGYuLwEJKYpqyXO1Fhb8kd<div style=": rgb248, 248, 252;">                  2024: Armed Cloud - Nimbus <div style=": rgb248, 248, 252;">
<div style=": rgb248, 248, 252;">                  2005: The Aurora Project - Unspoken Words - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_k2BNZe8cMfcQltACPRyirKYA6pTLoICZI<div style=": rgb248, 248, 252;">                  2009: The Aurora Project - Shadow Border - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kjsg7KJ_4BEc8hSEHtOI_lAL6TPanxtuc<div style=": rgb248, 248, 252;">                  2013: The Aurora Project - Selling the Aggression - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kBEZx4ql5weIsGurOuqu04Pgg2o9usKQI<div style=": rgb248, 248, 252;">                  2016: The Aurora Project - World of Grey - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_ntBUek4-_OXyEHHASZNt1jMZ6YXJOZBJg<div style=": rgb248, 248, 252;">                  2025: The Aurora Project - EVOS12 - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lA9Z7lA9b_9dAhr7w7qwtvH0GH3MumcNQ<div style=": rgb248, 248, 252;">
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4 stars 2002: Autumn - When Lust Evokes the Curse - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mwySoxpb_UZwPgMqQiZ0q2JfqKqk1AfZo
4 stars 2004: Autumn - Summer's End - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IF3uAJcqHV4
4 stars 2007: Autumn - My New Time - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kTBxpirF2ofb7pJ-fQ4cXX5HWCFP5e-tk
4 stars 2009: Autumn - Altitude - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kDhdYn6k4-aHFQ_BQyqHHJJtE7-DQUJIg
4 stars 2011: Autumn - Cold Comfort - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kJsmOif4Hb0F2n6Y63XYNc2OxFa4PsyCo
4 stars 2019: Autumn - Stacking Smoke - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_ngBhArXe6yS2v62Dk3TIHs_3sgfZc8_UQ

5 stars 1995: Ayreon - The Final Experiment - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lxhFKL_PLyTB_i7Cv2hK8qhIp8UBo6JC0
5 stars 1996: Ayreon - Actual Fantasy - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kuZo0rkJOWSkm1nycw8m--Ny-6TBtvIE0
5 stars 1998: Ayreon - Into the Electric Castle - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nJN9lXkdyI331mwBfyksfLEdHoUekiH_Y
5 stars 2000: Ayreon - Universal Migrator Part 1: The Dream Sequencer - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVOsr4GKrzU
4 stars 2000: Ayreon - Universal Migrator Part 2: Flight of the Navigator - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvWTIYnQcuY
5 stars 2000: Ayreon - Ayreonauts Only - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLF196C3634C5F864D
5 stars 2004: Ayreon - The Human Equation - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mMpiq68-g_4wYFjlhzTHZ8E5WrH_5hMYA
5 stars 2008: Ayreon - 01011001 - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLDp_PtuyOwCYS8mEf7sImnsoSiALQB9R9
5 stars 2008: Ayreon - Timeline - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLDp_PtuyOwCaaIqx6bSc6J8nJdNIGUTL6
4 stars 2013: Ayreon - The Theory of Everything - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLDp_PtuyOwCYgVxUVdExKacfWVz14pEs7
5 stars 2016: Ayreon - The Theatre Equation - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLRPhKLgNffpwY267Kw2NOx5pBMVV7L6iJ
4 stars 2017: Ayreon - The Source - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_k25tw7snlnbdnODw_E00PSEjzap9aJjWw
5 stars 2018: Ayreon - Ayreon's Universe: Best of Ayreon Live - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJGn3wi7b7b606GfoKAdOgm6rtX9OliRc
4 stars 2020: Ayreon - Transitus - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nH9h7WoPpVlqXcvYRvJB_p9CyuysIaSqw

                  2009: The Barstool Philosophers - Sparrows - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lVs2Y508HHyrIkCkROW4mrYIxHFh0HSok
<span style=": rgb248, 248, 252;">                  </span><span style=": rgb248, 248, 252;">2015: The Barstool Philosophers - Crossing Over - </span>http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kgnM3GfAlAY8PZqzB6Fggtk1llEpfYEDM

                  2021: Blackbriar - The Cause of Shipwreck - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n3ZsF8Nd4p3pJNiIjA-PuptIGkwcDne3I
                  <span style=": rgb248, 248, 252;">2023: Blackbriar - A Dark Euphony - </span>http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kIhiDSWrM67uoIsO3Rbea4WvxLaEYCEzY

                  2017: Cambrian - Point of Origin - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLGd-CMY2Ynx6OrNsBpLBkfCxCO8j9DVzK

                  1999: Cirrha Niva - Enter the Future Exit - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5PoCLwpPRg
                  2001: Cirrha Niva - Liaison de la Morte
                  2009: Cirrha Niva - For Moments Never Done - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kCxlCW8jmqSKQ1v1TMSlHiAvDCopgdTuI
                  2016: Cirrha Niva - Out of the Freakshow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_ljcIN7qgJpyRhDzSJmNQFR8grMJGeVVBE

                  2003: Marcel Coenen - Guitartalk - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lR6Hzn2SdUXRBhY16N1-gxkAPlMhfCBa8
                  2006: Marcel Coenen - Colour Journey - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n0wJ7_yOMKKoiJJ9Pepdhp0E9rS3xsv9U
                  2023: Marcel Coenen - Resurrection - - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kQzY6KU2Jo8KDK3OarWqHNQ9qBnOMzfKo
                  2025: Marcel Coenen - The Axe - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nFlLCMev3aKQL6MeKQAe5pTJk6Ml0DeHU

                  1999: Consortium Project I - Criminals & Kings - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lFf9mOOIHDY-bsfbt5MRm2JAHhcvutytY
                  2001: Consortium Project II - Consortium in Extremis - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kuVT2BdSbJYfUXkhY3_9Ik2U-pQrh5D5s
<span style=": rgb248, 248, 252;">                  2003: Consortium Project III - Terra Incognita (The Undiscovered World) - </span>http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kuVT2BdSbJYfUXkhY3_9Ik2U-pQrh5D5s
<span style=": rgb248, 248, 252;">                  2007: Consortium Project IV - Children of Tomorrow - </span>http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kuVT2BdSbJYfUXkhY3_9Ik2U-pQrh5D5s
                  2011: Consortium Project V - Species - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL44gxJwuwoabMKkUadU8dbi4hIjPoDup7

                 <span style=": rgb248, 248, 252;"> </span><span style=": rgb248, 248, 252;">2003: Day Six - Eternal Dignity - </span>http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLGlni6BOQRvXjKvnZH25hgvEMgawHbxnB
                  <span style=": rgb248, 248, 252;">2010: Day Six - The Grand Design - </span>http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_miuQki25C3JQDZ0sDBkgTbVPcyTTkcBSI
                  <span style=": rgb248, 248, 252;">2017: Day Six - Solitary League - </span>http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n6f5F-2wHH0JdHuoKexrDnZNIF4Bp-dts

                 <span style=": rgb248, 248, 252;"> 2006: Delain - Lucidity - </span>http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mPFO-kmiiVPrnZ30xemts_-eIiDztRwy8
                 <span style=": rgb248, 248, 252;"> 2009: Delain - April Rain - </span>http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEouLkiLHdSBdMcnwz1ETEKQ1hdJX5IpW
                  <span style=": rgb248, 248, 252;">2012: Delain - We Are the Others - </span>http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m-nbt4giAIpZ8_4M8LVcDFM6XcxoV9jAU
<span style=": rgb248, 248, 252;">                  2014: Delain - The Human Contradiction - </span>http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lh8ByQGjlYvSRHEvz9Xvtts21aKNMocd4
                  2016: Delain - Moonbathers - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLmTCnIR34Us_GjHN0VyH1JfkFe8BTjaZF
                  2019: Delain - Hunter's Moon - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mH-7cSRCSdp7xncvbifh8DhphzcZ9YCwI
                  2020: Delain - Apocalypse & Chill - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kJmYDs_J4B5TLxaNUJoCNYqTbBHKRpQmo
                  2023: Delain - Dark Waters - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mg6obDq2cEKRolmoNOJxLUnfe5EcjteSs

                  2009: The Dust Connection - Trails - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kJ3elmeB2QLl-fRp2smx7gBFeTasVCnsk

Edited by Psychedelic Paul - April 30 2025 at 07:55

^^^
bringing back the ads wouldn't help IMHO, if only bringing in revenues.
What PA really needs is a new software technology that would last the next 20 years

MikeEnRegalia wrote: siLLy puPPy wrote: If this site was merely a financially based investment then that would make sense as to why that passion is clearly lacking. Let's see ... - he does not rate or review any albums - he does not participate in the forum at all - he does not implement any new features ... does not seem like he's in it for the music to me.

The site is 21 years old and the more passionate of the two creators was ProgLucky (Ronald Couteure) who has been RIP for 10 to 15 years.

Yeah, M@X made it quite a success for a while: PA climbed to #83 of all music sites circa 2007/8, but it was also his job: he's a website designer/developer.


So he could still care (I still think he does), but he's trapped with the now 20+ technology software, unable to update or upgrade it anymore, without the risk of losing it all.
(Or so he tells us)

As I said above, when PE jumped off their first site, they couldn't import almost anything, because it was self-developed



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siLLy puPPy wrote: If this site was merely a financially based investment then that would make sense as to why that passion is clearly lacking.

Let's see ...

- he does not rate or review any albums
- he does not participate in the forum at all
- he does not implement any new features

... does not seem like he's in it for the music to me.

lazland wrote: When he introduced the Crapcha thing, everybody had a massive moan, and he removed ads from the site (how he made money), and now asks for donations, and I seriously doubt he gets much from these, even to cover his costs, and running a website can be expensive, which I know because I have to pay out of my own pocket for mine, another labour of love. The only solution, as far as I can see, is for the site to run on a sort of subscription basis which would fund tarting it up a bit and essential maintenance. I happily paid a few bucks to Progressive Ears a few weeks back, and if I felt that I could influence what happens here for the overall good, would do so here. In all honesty, I don't blame him for letting it become run down on a financial basis.

I remember M@X preferring us to work for the site than ask us for donations. our work is infinitely more valuable to the cause than our donations (and his supposed profits)

As for PE, it's a very different situation (I also donate there), because they do not have a DB, and when they switched to PE3.0, they had to drop plenty of side affairs to concentrate on forum-only.

Logan wrote: Like I wrote to Sean Trane, because I turned it off, the WYSIWYG post editor does not show up as an option any more. You did have it enabled before. It is no longer an option in the member control panel. Again, the initials stand for What You See Is What You Get. It's a rich text editor that shows you a preview of the finished post and you can paste in rich text, images, hyperlinks...

OK, I'd never have guessed it

BrufordFreak wrote: Cristi wrote: Go to your Member Control Panel, click forum preferences and disable the WYSIWYG post editor. I don't have a "WYSIWYG post editor" choice to disable. What is a "WYSIWYG post editor"?brown (I don't think I ever had it on!)

Like I wrote to Sean Trane, because I turned it off, the WYSIWYG post editor does not show up as an option any more. You did have it enabled before. It is no longer an option in the member control panel.

Again, the initials stand for What You See Is What You Get. It's a rich text editor that shows you a preview of the finished post and you can paste in rich text, images, hyperlinks...

Edited by Logan - April 14 2025 at 11:51

Cristi wrote: Go to your Member Control Panel, click forum preferences and disable the WYSIWYG post editor.

I don't have a "WYSIWYG post editor" choice to disable. What is a "WYSIWYG post editor"?brown (I don't think I ever had it on!)


Edited by BrufordFreak - April 14 2025 at 11:42

As I turned it off, it does not show up as an option any more. The initials stand for What You See Is What You Get. It's a rich text editor that shows you a preview of the finished post and you can paste in rich text, images, hyperlinks...

Hrychu wrote: Silly Puppy wrote: RYM on the other hand just keeps getting better and better by the day. Except for the obnoxious "Tower of Babel syndrome" and still no option to filter out reviews written in languages one does not speak.

Oh it's by no means perfect. It's super hard to make corrections and add new artists. However despite its flaws at least it's upgraded continously and attracts new eager contributors by the day.

Logan wrote: ^^ Without the script injection it may be little less liable to crash. It does not crash for me (sometimes I have had issues) so that might well have something to do with your internet service and/or settings (like security settings, are you using a stable IP, a proxy, good service provider...). I haven't the greatest of computers, but I do have a good fibre optic service and a reliable wireless router. But I guess RYM works for you just fine. Obviously that is a much more advanced, developed, better maintained and developing site. I use its database more than Prog Archives, but I like PA's forum still and will be very sad if this site disappears which I fear it might. SO much work has gone into entering bands and albums, reviewing, and things like forum posts, topics... I wish I knew it was being backed up by more than one user and it was all being cached cause one day it might just disappear.

Sorry, but my editing box just looks awful with the WYSIWYG editor disabled. I can't make any sense out of it. Can you restore it?