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tarkus1980
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Posted: April 20 2010 at 19:29 |
The problem with Trespass is that a lot of the instrumental breaks (certainly not all, but many) in the first half of the album are kinda dull and overly stretched out without enough happening in them to compensate. The songs themselves are fine, but there's a lot of dross to pick through with them. The second half, on the other hand, is fantastic.
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genbanks
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Posted: April 20 2010 at 19:24 |
Tresspass is a great album, maybe at the same level than Nursery Crime, but below than Foxtrot or Selling England by the pound. The Knife, White Mountain, Stagnation and Vision of Angels are the best for me. Looking for someone runs behind and Dusk is the weak one (but good too). The album has a dramatic and enigmatic feeling. A problem with Tresspass is that it has not an oustanding song like Foxtrot or SEBP. Of course, the guys were just starting, and into this context is a great album.
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tszirmay
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Posted: March 22 2010 at 00:35 |
I still get my thrill when the Phillips electric lead throttles Rutherford's immense bass , near the end of the track, a few seconds of utter genius. Trespass is my #2 after SEBTP !
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Atavachron
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Posted: March 22 2010 at 00:30 |
wonderful album especially in the context of 1970 when nothing quite like it had been put together, flawed to be sure but a big breakthrough for them as a band and, in a quieter way, prog rock
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ghost_of_morphy
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Posted: March 21 2010 at 22:56 |
Tsevir Leirbag wrote:
I personally think Trespass is better than The Lamb |
I'd put Trespass above every Genesis album except for Foxtrot and SEBTP.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: March 21 2010 at 09:36 |
O666 wrote:
1- I used " dark " in positive mean.
Me too, it's dark and haunting to my ears, but I love it.
2- Who say " The Knife" is a bad song. Who can say that?!
Read my post The Knife is a classic (COMA) Not a bad song or filler (I'm talking about the whole album that doesn't have a bad song or a filler)
3- " The Knife " is a classic today but what is in 1970?
IMHO a masterpiece since it was writen, but I got connected with Genesis only in 1976 (When Peter had left the building) and with Trespass in 1985 when it was already a Classic, I don't have enough age to have been listening Genesis music in 1970 (I was 6) much less in Perú where Prog was a "rara avis" so I don't know it's status in 1970.
4- I dont have power to fight with you!! Just I want say HI to you Ivan. 
Why fight? We agree in everything 
Iván
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Zombywoof
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Posted: March 20 2010 at 13:22 |
It was my introduction to Genesis and still one of my favorites. I don't really see what there is to complain about on that record, as it has such a unique mood that they, nor any one else, ever quite captured again.
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lazland
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Posted: March 03 2010 at 14:24 |
progkidjoel wrote:
I think DavetheSlave put this one well; I think its fantastic, but at the same time it still carries a very immature sound in comparison to the follow-up. I got it as a birthday gift last year (the SA-CD/DVD-A remaster) and it sounds amazing; the acoustics are wonderfully played and, to echo what a lot of other posters have said in here so far, Peter Gabriel's vocal performance on this disc is incredibly strong. I feel this album lacks a bit of the fun and somewhat eerie humor Genesis picks up over the next few albums with tracks like Harold The Barrel. My favourite tracks are The Knife and Visions Of Angels; to again echo what others have said, the lyrics in this track are absolutely amazing for kids who were only 19 and 20 at the time.
In the remaster DVD interviews, Peter Gabriel said they had been playing the material live for nearly a year before they recorded the studio version, which is pretty impressive for a few lads just out of school.
My favourite things about the album are the acoustic guitar interplay and the really strong vocals; the remaster sounds absolutely amazing, although I can't compare it to the original and/or previous remasters.. |
The band worked incredibly hard for over a year playing gigs, sometimes to very small numbers of people, but eventually word got out that they were very good, and The Knife, especially, was very much a cult classic even before Trespass was released. It did not do a great deal on release in terms of album sales, but was very favourably reviewed by journalists such as the legendary Chris Wetton, and laid the foundation for all that we love about the band. I think the vocal performance on the album is stunning for a 17 year old young man, and, as much as I admire Steve Hackett, as Armando Gallo said, just imaginer what they would have done with Ant Phillips remaining?
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progkidjoel
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Posted: March 03 2010 at 06:12 |
I think DavetheSlave put this one well; I think its fantastic, but at the same time it still carries a very immature sound in comparison to the follow-up. I got it as a birthday gift last year (the SA-CD/DVD-A remaster) and it sounds amazing; the acoustics are wonderfully played and, to echo what a lot of other posters have said in here so far, Peter Gabriel's vocal performance on this disc is incredibly strong. I feel this album lacks a bit of the fun and somewhat eerie humor Genesis picks up over the next few albums with tracks like Harold The Barrel. My favourite tracks are The Knife and Visions Of Angels; to again echo what others have said, the lyrics in this track are absolutely amazing for kids who were only 19 and 20 at the time.
In the remaster DVD interviews, Peter Gabriel said they had been playing the material live for nearly a year before they recorded the studio version, which is pretty impressive for a few lads just out of school.
My favourite things about the album are the acoustic guitar interplay and the really strong vocals; the remaster sounds absolutely amazing, although I can't compare it to the original and/or previous remasters..
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DavetheSlave
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Posted: March 03 2010 at 06:03 |
I agree with Sealchan in that I do find a scattered feel to the album - perhaps the band were still maturing. Having said that though I enjoy the album very much and it's easy to see that it is the build up to the coming classic albums.
I go with Ivan's order in the preference stakes except that I rate SEBTP ahead of The Lamb.
Trespass has a very fragile feel to it, a brittle feel - but in a good way. That fragility is what brings me back to the album time and again.
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O666
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Posted: March 03 2010 at 05:49 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Many people believe that Genesis started with Hackett and Collins, but that's wrong, Ant is a great guitar player and Mayhew was not bad, and the music is excellent.
White Mountain's keyboard makes me have goosebumps, and The Knife is a classic, not a a bad song or filler and a haunting dark atmosphere.
Took me time, but I love Trespáss,
My Gabriel Genesis rating is:
- Foxtrot
- Nursery Cryme
- Trespass
- The Lamb
- SEBTP
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1- I used " dark " in positive mean.
2- Who say " The Knife" is a bad song. Who can say that?!
3- " The Knife " is a classic today but what is in 1970?
4- I dont have power to fight with you!! Just I want say HI to you Ivan. 
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topofsm
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Posted: March 02 2010 at 19:04 |
I listened to Trespass a couple times and to be honest wasn't impressed. Of course, at the time I wasn't terribly familiar with the band. Over time I've grown familiar with the band, and I listened to Trespass the other night and it sounds better now that I'm used to the Genesis sound. I enjoy the album more now, and I appreciate it for being an important step in their discography. However, I still don't particularly care for it much.
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MarxNutz
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Posted: March 02 2010 at 18:55 |
I really like the Trespass album myself. It has a feel of the times in which the boys were living and a still almost innocent quality to the compositions. I noticed hardly any mention of the song "Stagnation", which I find myself singing to myself on occasion. Just something about that song gets me... I also love "Visions of Angels", which always evokes in my mind a bittersweet feeling of the one who is left behind... I won't say it's my favorite Genesis album, but it has its own place in my heart. I feel pretty much the same way towards From Genesis to Revelation, that also has its special place....
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wilmon91
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Posted: March 02 2010 at 15:34 |
Also, it's the Genesis album I have played the most. There was a time were I only played Trespass. The quality it has is that you can never play it too much. Which is fascinating. I only play my favourite albums sparingly, to keep them fresh. But Trespass can be played over and over...
Edited by wilmon91 - March 02 2010 at 15:35
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wilmon91
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Posted: March 02 2010 at 15:25 |
When I first bought the album twelve years ago, I had trouble getting into the music. It just appeared like a jumble of chords and melodies, I couldn't get much out of it. Then some time went were I didnt play the album. Later I rediscovered the album, and got into the music in a completely different way than before, it was like stepping into a world that was closed before.
I think it has qualities completely of its own and can't be compared to anything else. There's a lot of classical influences - especially dynamically, arrangement-wise and the way it uses tempo changes , it's like crescendos, diminuendo's, ritardando's and stuff like that, and it's beautifully orchestrated. I would say it's the Genesis album that has the most in common with classical music. But it is really something unique. Very humble and soft in it's expressions. Dusk and Stagnation are probably my favourites. The Knife is a bit overrated, doesnt have the same quality as the other pieces, but its the rockiest , most straightforward of them.
Very hard to compare it to other Genesis albums, so I wont.....but it must be among the top four best.
Edited by wilmon91 - March 02 2010 at 15:27
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Moogtron III
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Posted: March 02 2010 at 15:25 |
Wonderful album, absolutely classic stuff. Atmospheric sound, strong compositions... one of those albums that take you into another world. A dream world, and then you are suddenly shaken to the bones by "The Knife". Some very good Gabriel - lyrics can already be found on the album. Granted, Gabriel did some more mature lyrics later on, more focused and with more word play, but I love some of his dreamy yet catchy lyrics on f.i. "Looking For Someone" and "White Mountain". The organ playing, the piano playing, Gabriel's magic flute, Rutherford's strong bass lines... All very powerful, very imaginative. The cover art is a good showcase for the album: the dreamy medieval figures and the knife which cuts right through it. The sound of the album is unique, and immediately grabs you. Trespass' music is better than the best albums of many, many other bands.
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Tsevir Leirbag
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Posted: March 02 2010 at 14:34 |
I personally think Trespass is better than The Lamb
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kjprogger
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Posted: March 02 2010 at 14:27 |
Trespass has some very good moments and it is certainly better than Nursery Cryme. Its not a classic, but then again, there aren't many of those, are there?
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uduwudu
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Posted: March 02 2010 at 02:49 |
It's a unique album. Anthony Phillips featued his music on there rather than Steve Hackett which may indicate why some think it is is under appreciated (by some!) IMHO it is a mature compositional effort - stand out is The Knife for me. It's very atmospheric and intriguing with lyrical music. I hope it's not left as a footnote in Genesis history. Phillips' playing is very gentle really. Hackett has a more extensive vocabulary in his playing. And they even got Tony Banks playing 12 string guitar. Really this is a spot a bunch of musos progressing progressive rock. Some bands get to make a few debut albums. Kind of like an equivalent of The Yes Album as Nursery Cryme is to Fragile if that makes any sense!
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Jozef
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Posted: February 27 2010 at 11:51 |
I've never really heard anyone criticize Trespass too harshly before. I've always enjoyed it and it's my favorite Genesis album featuring Peter Gabriel.
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