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Polymorphia 
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Posted: November 29 2012 at 17:59 |
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*some contrived line of reasoning to justify voting Close to the Edge because of a misreading of the OP*
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Posted: November 28 2012 at 12:00 |
 Stool Man wrote:
SR = two letters, an acronym for two words.
CTTE = four letters, an acronym for four words.
Close To The Edge is longer, it takes longer to type too. |
SR could be seen as an acronym for three words, not it helps much.
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Posted: November 28 2012 at 09:28 |
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It's okay. I knew what you meant.
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Posted: November 28 2012 at 09:28 |
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I was obviously meaning to write The Gates Of Delirium and not Relayer but I typed too fast 
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Posted: November 28 2012 at 08:39 |
SR = two letters, an acronym for two words.
CTTE = four letters, an acronym for four words.
Close To The Edge is longer, it takes longer to type too.
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Posted: November 27 2012 at 12:41 |
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Gerinski
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Posted: November 27 2012 at 12:30 |
jude111 wrote:
Supper's Ready goes on forever (it seems), while CTTE ends too soon. I'd be surprised if CTTE is actually longer?... |
I thought that the one ending too SOON was Relayer
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Posted: November 27 2012 at 12:03 |
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"Close to the Edge" has been around longer than "Supper's Ready," if that helps at all. (Close to the Edge was released September 13, 1972; Foxtrot, October 6.) But then, I don't know which one was conceived, rehearsed, recorded and/or previewed first. Historians? Anyone? Anyone? Which song has been around LONGER?
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Posted: November 27 2012 at 11:23 |
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Supper's Ready goes on forever (it seems), while CTTE ends too soon. I'd be surprised if CTTE is actually longer?...
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Posted: November 27 2012 at 11:09 |
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Suppers Ready is the longer because at the end is a 5 minute guitar solo that someone faded out grrr!
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Posted: November 27 2012 at 10:53 |
Ambient Hurricanes wrote:
^That wasn't the poll question, it was "which is longer," the answer to which, clearly, is Close to the Edge
To add to the pile of evidence that is heaping up in favor of the superior length of CTTE, I have this piece of information to add: you know that part in CTTE? The really awesome part? Yeah, that part. It has recently been discovered by Mongolian scientists that everyone who listens to the song passes out right at that part because of it's awesomeness, and regain consciousness precisely ten minutes later, at which point in the song the music just happens to flow perfectly logically from the awesome part where everyone passes out. Thus, CTTE is at least ten minutes longer than listed on the tracklisting. Pretty cool, huh?
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My oversight. Thank you for the correction. I still assert that Supper's Ready is the longer object since it contains more parts - seven as opposed to three, another detail I overlooked in my previous analysis, but then it was a spontaneous ad hoc examination and would naturally be subject to error and revision. 
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Posted: November 27 2012 at 07:56 |
thellama73 wrote:
I wish to clarify that this thread was not directed in response to you (nor was the admittedly insulting comment I made in the other thread.) You made a valid point and defended it intelligently, although I still disagree with you about it. Instead, this is a response to years of accumulated frustration with the people who routinely barge into threads screaming that it's wrong to state anything about music, since it is all subjective. Unlike you, I have seen many people get their hackles up over statements like "X band is good, Y band is bad." It's obviously a matter of opinion and, as I see it, it is the action of a fool to complain about subjectivity on a forum exclusively devoted to subjective topics. |
I've never actually seen people who said that it's wrong to state anything about music because it's subjective (the real reason why talking about music is stupid is because it's like dancing about architecture  ). When people get furious over statements like "X band is good, Y band is bad", it's usually either because they don't realize that somebody is only stating their opinion or because they're trying to prove the "objective" quality of a band and are offended that anyone would disagree (e.g. all those discussion about Dream Theater that have become a running gag). So our problems are with people who either don't recognize an opinion when they see one or who think they can make objective statements about subjective things. The group that this thread pokes fun at... doesn't really exist.
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I apologize if I offended you. AS I say, I am not lashing out at what you said, but at the attitudes of others. |
All's well then.  By the way, my vote goes to "Close to the Edge". I don't know, it just... feels longer to me
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Posted: November 27 2012 at 07:43 |
HarbouringTheSoul wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
There is always someone eager to jump into any thread around here and exclaim with an air of self-righteous indignation that the topic under discussion is too subjective and that it is ludicrous to make claims about what is good or bad, interesting or boring, concise or just plain short of ideas. So, in an attempt to appease these simple minded folk, I have undertaken it upon myself (displaying, I feel, the full generosity of the holiday season) to start a series of topics designed to illustrate exactly how fun and interesting objective discussions about music can be. |
Oh, aren't you so clever? Thanks for appeasing us simple minded folk.
On that note, I have never actually come across anybody here who said that it's ludicrous to make claims about what is good or bad etc.
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I wish to clarify that this thread was not directed in response to you (nor was the admittedly insulting comment I made in the other thread.) You made a valid point and defended it intelligently, although I still disagree with you about it. Instead, this is a response to years of accumulated frustration with the people who routinely barge into threads screaming that it's wrong to state anything about music, since it is all subjective. Unlike you, I have seen many people get their hackles up over statements like "X band is good, Y band is bad." It's obviously a matter of opinion and, as I see it, it is the action of a fool to complain about subjectivity on a forum exclusively devoted to subjective topics. I apologize if I offended you. AS I say, I am not lashing out at what you said, but at the attitudes of others.
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Posted: November 27 2012 at 07:23 |
Actually, this thread is funnier than most subjective threads 
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Posted: November 27 2012 at 07:22 |
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I just don't know where this thread can go  |
That was pretty much my point.
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Posted: November 27 2012 at 07:02 |
thellama73 wrote:
Gerinski wrote:
 a bad song can subjectively feel longer than an objectively longer one. |
That's true, but you can't talk about good songs and bad songs n this thread. This is only for objective discussions of music. |
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Posted: November 27 2012 at 06:30 |
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Posted: November 27 2012 at 06:17 |
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Someone please time the vocal bits, he is asking about the song, Instrumental tip-tapp dosent count
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Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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HarbouringTheSoul
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Posted: November 27 2012 at 06:10 |
thellama73 wrote:
There is always someone eager to jump into any thread around here and exclaim with an air of self-righteous indignation that the topic under discussion is too subjective and that it is ludicrous to make claims about what is good or bad, interesting or boring, concise or just plain short of ideas. So, in an attempt to appease these simple minded folk, I have undertaken it upon myself (displaying, I feel, the full generosity of the holiday season) to start a series of topics designed to illustrate exactly how fun and interesting objective discussions about music can be. |
Oh, aren't you so clever? Thanks for appeasing us simple minded folk. On that note, I have never actually come across anybody here who said that it's ludicrous to make claims about what is good or bad etc.
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Posted: November 27 2012 at 00:35 |
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Close To The Edge wins. It has longer notes.
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Objectivity in Music Pt. !: CTTE vs Supper's Ready
