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Poll Question: Do you think Prog Metal exists?
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Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

Jody, what happened to "ProgGod"? Was that some well established PA troll posting from a new account?


Yes.


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Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

Jody, what happened to "ProgGod"? Was that some well established PA troll posting from a new account?


Yes.


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Points: 5851 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 21 2006 at 04:36
I rember that after the exit of THRAK by KING CRIMSON BILL BRUFORD (BILL BRUFORD... man) said: "We are the sole band to play intelligent Metal". He understood that the Crimson played a Prog such near the Metal to be assimilated... This would have to be the Prog Metal (Uhm... IS).
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Points: 24439 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 21 2006 at 04:50
That was quite surreal, indeed.... fun, though! Thumbs Up

BTW, of course Prog Metal exists... why shouldn't it? I'm not quite convinced of Mike's chart, though. Do you really see Rock, Prog and Metal as initially separate genres? Why do you think so? Sorry if it is the 1,000th time someone asks...Wink
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Points: 10063 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 21 2006 at 05:05
Prog is not bounded by any late 60's or early 70's bands...
If it is, then it is not progressive.
Progressive music evolves, it doesnt end...
Metal ( for most of the metalheads here i suppose) is broad, deep and beautiful...
I cant see any reason why it cant also be progressive.....
 

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Originally posted by MajesterX MajesterX wrote:

Originally posted by ivansfr0st ivansfr0st wrote:

So which if you blasphemers will have enough courage to declare that I am a part of a non-existant team on a non-existant genre? Angry

 -- Ivan


look out for Peter Rideout and his silly pictures....he says it's just metal with keyboards....

There is one vote for no....you'll have to track them down..




 
You Have Just Tracked Me Down. What do have to say? I know Prog Metal doesn't exsit. However
 
Proggressive Rock  is all Progressive no need for sub genres. Read my Other message.
 
 
 
I believe that Sub Genre were created to distinguish a band from another one. Otherwise must to say: Band A= Band B that plays like Band C but except for Band D. Nevertheless B+ C+ 50% of D= Band E. Band F+ mixed Band of everything the other= Band A!!! That it is a true slaughter!!! Better to introduce some Sub Genre that any rate is not binding. The King Crimson, in fact (and for example), produced album Symphonic, Art Rock, Canterbury, Experimental Rock and Experimental Prog Metal!!! How you see also to explain the music of a band is necessary put categories and under categories... But it is clear than all it is reduced to the stupid fusion of R&B and Country with a bulky amount of contaminatios of those that (still today for a lot of persons) picked music.
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Originally posted by Ghost Rider Ghost Rider wrote:

That was quite surreal, indeed.... fun, though! Thumbs Up

BTW, of course Prog Metal exists... why shouldn't it? I'm not quite convinced of Mike's chart, though. Do you really see Rock, Prog and Metal as initially separate genres? Why do you think so? Sorry if it is the 1,000th time someone asks...Wink


It's difficult to put all information in one chart ... the chart only has two dimensions, and we would need at least need 3 to properly display the relations between Rock, Metal and Prog.

In my chart I just wanted to show that Rock and Metal are separate genres. In a way the progressive sub genres are strongly related though ... for example Neo Prog and Neo Prog Metal, Symphonic Prog Rock and Symphonic Prog Metal, Avant-Prog Rock and Avant-Prog Metal etc. etc..

But the most important thing about Prog Metal is that it has a similar sub genre structure as Prog Rock. That fact alone strongly suggests that it would be wrong to model Prog Metal as a sub genre of Prog Rock.
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Originally posted by imoeng imoeng wrote:

oh yes of course Prog Metal exists, it has existed since 1989 (i dont know, DT was born in 1989)... and btw this is probably one of the strangest thread.. whos that "guest" guy??
 
Yeah, because DT totally invented Prog-Metal.
 
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Originally posted by ivansfr0st ivansfr0st wrote:

Originally posted by imoeng imoeng wrote:

oh yes of course Prog Metal exists, it has existed since 1989 (i dont know, DT was born in 1989)... and btw this is probably one of the strangest thread.. whos that "guest" guy??
 
Yeah, because DT totally invented Prog-Metal.
 
 -- Ivan
 
are they? well im not sure, just to make sure... Big smile

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Imoeng, I think thats sarcasm.... Ivan isn't fond of DT
 
Fates, Watchtower of Queensryche were be4 DT, btw there were probably even older band that created something called prog metal...
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Originally posted by Ed_The_Dead Ed_The_Dead wrote:

Imoeng, I think thats sarcasm.... Ivan isn't fond of DT
 
Fates, Watchtower of Queensryche were be4 DT, btw there were probably even older band that created something called prog metal...


Quite a few of them, actually... Though Mike may not agree on that, the development of prog-metal owes quite a bit to the likes of Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Metallica and Megadeth, to name but a few. And what about Rush's first four albums, in particular "2112"?
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^Rush NEVER created prog metal. Although they influenced it heavily. IMO Maiden actually did itTongue
 
Metallica I hate, and Megadeth are not prog at all, so it leaves Maiden.
 
Judas Priest had one prog-related album (Sad Wings of Destiny its called, I think...).
 
I know my prog and metal fairly well, so I just have my own valid or invalid theory'sWink
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Points: 24439 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 21 2006 at 12:48
'Scuse me, what makes you say that Megadeth are not prog and Maiden are? And of course we're talking about "Sad Wings of Destiny", not of "Painkiller"...Wink As to Rush, I didn't say anywhere that they CREATED Prog-Metal - just that they were a big influence on both Queensryche and DT.
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Yes, they were. You can hear it especially in the instrumental sections (YYZ etc.).
 
I just can't hear anything prog in Mustaine's band. They aren't that complex, fairly simple song structures etc... A great metal band thoughApprove
 
And Maiden songs on the other hand had lots of complex, interestingly structured compositions, with an epic feel and, in lots of cases, conceptual themes. The whole Album 7th Son of a 7th Son is a concept album, and I think its the 1st 100% neo prog metal album aroundBig smile
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^ You're saying that Maiden is more complex than Megadeth? Duh.
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Are you disapproving or was it that obvious?Wink
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I'm disapproving.
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Originally posted by Ed_The_Dead Ed_The_Dead wrote:

Yes, they were. You can hear it especially in the instrumental sections (YYZ etc.).
 
I just can't hear anything prog in Mustaine's band. They aren't that complex, fairly simple song structures etc... A great metal band thoughApprove
 
And Maiden songs on the other hand had lots of complex, interestingly structured compositions, with an epic feel and, in lots of cases, conceptual themes. The whole Album 7th Son of a 7th Son is a concept album, and I think its the 1st 100% neo prog metal album aroundBig smile
 
Megadeth wasn't a band with cool unison instrumental sections, but the songs are anything but amaetur.  Megadeth is actually one of the few metal bands which I believe had perfect balance of skill between each single member.


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I think our sight should document more specific sub-genres.  For instance... there is a huge damn difference between Opeth and Rhapsody.
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Originally posted by Legoman Legoman wrote:

I think our sight should document more specific sub-genres.  For instance... there is a huge damn difference between Opeth and Rhapsody.


Have a look at the new planned subcategories for prog metal:

Prog MEtal Categories


Edited by MikeEnRegalia - June 22 2006 at 03:09
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