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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2006 at 08:56
Among the people I know, few prog fans are musicians, though most of them would like to be musicians, but they do not study to be a musician because it is frustrating when you start playing and compare your level with the level of the great musicians.

Just to mention, I'm a novice musician, learning to play the piano after I learned to play the guitar.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2006 at 08:55
I played trombone in grammar school concert band.  But I wasn't very good.  Sometimes I try to figure out songs on my son's 22-key Casio.  I've got the 5 notes from "Close Encounters" down pat.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2006 at 06:35
this could have been a good debate about the difference between the people from the 70s and the people of today, their taste, their need for sub-level entertainment vs. highly intelectual & aesthetic entertainment, their need to discover and experiment vs. snugness; and also, a good debate over the motivations and goals of the 70s media and the media of these days.
 
and that's because the initial argument doesn't stand up. i saw the Yes Live at QPR concert in 1975 and, from my experience with footbal match watching, i think the audience had about 60-70,000 people. (and first i couldn't believe my eyes. i wasn't actually into prog at the time and i wondered what the hell was so special about that silly looking people on stage and their non-musical music). now, i can only guess that they were not all musicians... and that the rest were not people coming for some "light" musical entertainment. THOSE people were the hundread thousands going to Stones or Zeppelin concerts.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2006 at 06:26
Well, of course not.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2006 at 06:13
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BTW, I'm a prog musician myself(well...I believe in it) and I hate when somebody labels prog as "Music for Musicians only". Personally I dislike so-called "bombastic" or way too experimental bands.When I hear no melody at least for 5 minutes,only heartless virtuosity or head-blowing avantgarde, I usually turn this off
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2006 at 06:12
Originally posted by GHOSTNOTE GHOSTNOTE wrote:

      I am a drummer, who has loved progressive rock for many years and i have noticed
that myself and other musicians i haved jammed with over the years can relate with this
style of music, but people who do not play a musical instrument do not.
     So ultimitly is prog rock for musicians only?
 
no, this only means that you have a very limited social life. no offence.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2006 at 05:53
Some people are natural musicians who can appreciate clever chord changes and complex rythyms without having to actually play an instrument.  There is quite a difference between having a musical brain and being a musician.  Musicians take their interest that step further and spend the time to actually learn the physical side of an instrument.  Not many have the manual dexterity to be Rick Wakeman but that doesn't mean that you can't appreciate his talent.
 
I've learnt the obligatory recorder in the past and also some piano.  I've owned and played a Hammond Organ in the past as well.  I wouldn't call myself a musician because I've never had the dedication to practice enough but I can read music and I can listen to a piece of music and know instantly if a note is the wrong pitch or length.  I get a lot of enjoyment from doing the PA mix for bands and I "play" the mixing desk.
 
Therefore if you "think" music you can certainly enjoy prog and probably find yourself drawn towards it.  EnjoyThumbs Up
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2006 at 05:36
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

I agree... off course you can like Prog if you're not a musician, but you'll miss one of its best elements: the musicianship, the possibility of analyzing structures, keys, harmonies, drum playing, etc, and get amazed (or dissapointed) by what you hear.
 
Non-musicians tend to like their music just for entertainment sake, just as something better than silence for moments like eating, working, etc...or they want music with a purpose, namely music that helps them dance..... they just won't sit down througha 20+minute epic.... what fun will it be to them? for them, short, 3-4 minute pieces are more than enough...surely they can love some aspects of prog, too, but they won't appreciate them in their whole magnitude as a musician can.
 
So I'll say 90% prog-lovers are musicians....I know others that aren't but at least they love art....they love literature, they love good cinema...THEY LOVE THEIR BRAIN TO BE CHALLENGED AND PLAYED WITH....
 
 
 
 
I am not a musician but I am all right with you. In fact in the last years (but also first with Jon & Vangelis) are you a lot of side project between musicians also very different sub genre alone and exclusively to confront itself between musicians head.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2006 at 05:31
John Peel who promoted the progressive scene for over a decade on both American and then for most of his career British radio,  in the late 70's became a born-again punk, before his untimely death repeatedly stated "Prog is bollocks, absolute bollocks. I felt I had ordinary level qualifications musically and with prog I needed advance levels". Something dubious about his first statement, but some truth in the second, in particular when the prog music/rock scene started in the UK. The experimental underground music tended to be played by more accomplished musicians building upon but going well beyond the rudiments of rock and roll, attempting to marry other musics with rock. The college and university student audiences were welcoming listeners, wanting something more intellectually challenging.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2006 at 05:30
I learnt to play the piano and the guitar although I wouldn't really call myself a musician as I'm not very good at either.
 
It could be that you are mixing up cause and effect. Maybe people who like prog are more likely to be interested in learning to play a musical instrument whereas people who like mainstream music just want to sing.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2006 at 04:58
Originally posted by iguana iguana wrote:

progressive music is for everyone with a functioning set of two ears and an equally functioning brain inbetween.
 
I agree...
people with limited functioning brain don't understand prog and they have to concentrate on listening to it which is not easy for some, usually those people like to listen prog ballads of some sort(kayleigh or silent man etc)
 
although prog has influenced me to pick up a guitarStar
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2006 at 04:48
,, IS PROG FOR MUSICIANS ONLY?,,....of course not.
 
any musician (plays Prog or anything else, doesnt metter) is happy when can see/hear that (no musicians!)audience to clap, same as other musicians recognition as well. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2006 at 03:59
progressive music is for everyone with a functioning set of two ears and an equally functioning brain inbetween.
progressive rock and rural tranquility don't match. true or false?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2006 at 03:47
So not being a musician makes me a prog wannabe? What a waste of 800 albums, eh?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2006 at 03:34
Originally posted by GHOSTNOTE GHOSTNOTE wrote:

      
     So ultimitly is prog rock for musicians only?
hell no!!!!!!!Angry.i cant play an isttrument [i can barely typeLOL] and i love prog
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2006 at 02:41
To be fair to GHOSTNOTE, he speaks from his experience of his fellow prog. enthusiasts and then he poses a question based on that experience for people to comment on and already we are seeing a range of responses. He definitely is not saying that you have to be a musician to relate to prog.I would say don't condemn him for posing the question.

In any event , it will vary from individual to individual. Are you or have you been a musician? Does that help you relate to prog? Many would answer 'yes'.

I play and I'm into prog and jazz and nearly every other style of music so long as it is played/sung well. Does that make me elitist or a musical snob? Well, I don't believe so, except when it comes to Country and Western [not even playing and singing it well saves it for me {how elitist can you get}]

I have a number of friends who do not sing or play who are absolutely 'die-hard' prog fans. I have late teenage children who sing and play, yet they are very prog intolerant [despite my best efforts to convert them]. My brother-in-law is one of the most soughtafter electric bass players in this country ,based in Melbourne,who plays mainly jazz and fusion by choice and anything else going to help pay the bills . I've exposed him to more prog than fusion and he really enjoys the challenge of it and he says that it helps to give him ideas.

So where is all this leading ? I guess it can help if you are musical but you certainly don't have to be imo.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2006 at 02:16
No, I'm sorry too if my comments were misunderstood. I'm only saying that it helps a lot to be a musician so you can be marveled at some instrumental or, well, musical stuff that probably you won't recognize if you are not (harmonies, chords, stuff like that). Yes, I started my prog-life when I used to think I played drums (I was a mess) and a loot of things made my jaws drop in awe.... today some of those things don;t have quite the same effect, because I'm no longer hearing them as wizardy or magic but as skillful playing.... so I think it helps, and even more so with jazz, off course, and classical. But to love good music you don't have to be a musician, off course, you just have to have art sensibility. And that's something many non-musicians have....and believe me, something MANY MUSICIANS LACK....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2006 at 02:13

I dont think prog is just for musicians, its emotional music, that can apeal to anyone.

Of course it depened on some musical education, or to get the idea that music should chalenge our mind, or art suppose to do something, beyond being just an entertainment... so its a question of art education and atitude...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2006 at 02:08
Very very elitist and pretentious.
You just have to read the archives to see that most prog aficionados  can't play any instrument.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2006 at 00:52
I'm not a musician but in a related story once someone was talking to me about music and I said I liked prog and he imediately asked me what instrument I played.

I used to play trumpet in the high school marching band, but I got into prog after I gave up on playing music
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