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Why do people usually think badly of the album "Trespass" by Genesis? I think it's got some pretty strong tunes. Of course, there's their first undisputed classic in "The Knife", but "Looking for Someone" and "White Mountain" are pretty sweet as well. "Visions of Angels" is pretty good too. I know the album isn't as good as the next 4 that came after it, but it's still a really good album, IMO. 
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I get the impression that most people who listen to it view it as an "under-appreciated classic". White Mountain is one of my favorite Geneis songs.
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Originally posted by WatcherOfTheSkies88 WatcherOfTheSkies88 wrote:

Why do people usually think badly of the album "Trespass" by Genesis? I think it's got some pretty strong tunes. Of course, there's their first undisputed classic in "The Knife", but "Looking for Someone" and "White Mountain" are pretty sweet as well. "Visions of Angels" is pretty good too. I know the album isn't as good as the next 4 that came after it, but it's still a really good album, IMO. 

Yeah, great album, but I think that "The Knife" is the only track that can compare to say, "The Musical Box," "Watcher of the Skies," "Firth of Fifth," or "In The Cage."  However, even being close to the goodness of Nursery Cryme to The Lamb is not an easy feat.
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It's my favorite Genesis album.
 
It's lovely, Anthony's 12-string guitar throughout adds a lot and Peter's vocals couldn't better. Also, Tony Banks' plays some really nice stuff.
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I really like it. I think it's definately better than Nursery Cryme
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Under appreciated classic?
 
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My first "serious" Prog album, bought in 1970, Trespass has always been a personal favourite, though everybody approaches albums from different perspectives and may see things differently - though "The Lamb..." is appreciated as a greater classic i was disappointed with it on first hearing, having "plotted" Genesis' career almost from the beginning i thought they'd "sold out to the Yanks" and still believe "Trespass" stands head and shoulders over their post 1974 works. Ermm
 
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It's my second fav. Genesis album to Foxtrot, and Looking for Someone is one of my fav. Genesis songs.  I think it's a great album.Big smile
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It's an incredible album, made even more remarkable when you consider that they had only just come out of a very pampered English public school, wet behind the ears. The tracks all have a remarkable maturity to them and I still, to this day, get goosebumps when I listen to Visions of Angels.

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I'd rather listen to Trespass 500 times than ITCOTK twice....oh wait I have.

I may have actually listened to Trespass more than Nursery Cryme. But it's all good. Ant does give it its own little flavor, though one must remember that he had a huge hand in Cryme as well.

I don't think it's that underappreciated in any prog community.
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Wouldn't call it underrated by any means, but I personally think it's a masterpiece. It doesn't get as much attention as other Genesis albums, but I wouldn't say it's as good as SEBTP, Foxtrot, or The Lamb anyway.

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I'm a huge fan of Trespass myself.  As a previous poster stated - I like it more than the followup.  I also like it more than The Lamb.  I think it has some great tunes on it, even without the Knife.  It's one of their most emotional albums IMO...nothing can beat the darkness/desperation of Looking For Someone, or the combination of fragility and menace that is Visions of Angels, or the early expanded storytelling of White Mountain or the bleakness of Stagnation.   Was planning on listening to this anyway this evening.  Love Ant's work on this, as well as Tony's and Peter's.  In spite of the bad press that the late John Mayhew has gotten, I really think the rhythm section works very well too.
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Trespass is easily one of my favourite Genesis albums. Its my fourth favourite after selling england, trick and nursery cryme, much thanks to Anthony Phillips. The twelvestring work on White Mountain is among the best  Genesis did.
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From my admittedly limited perspective I have noticed that late 60s prog tends to favor variety of musical ideas over unity of musical ideas.  Both Yes and Genesis seemed to unify their compositions better going into the 70s.  This transition happened with Yes with The Yes Album and with Genesis I think it happened more gradually with Nursery Cryme.  One of the principles of this transition going into the 70s it seems is that you can pack in more musical ideas into a song but you are going to have to really build out the length of the song to do it well otherwise it will sound like the second side of Abbey Road rather than the second side of Foxtrot.   
 
One song which helped me to see this was done by a band that didn't do "prog" that well, Chicago.  On Chicago's second self-titled album (in both senses) their "Ballad for a Girl in Buchanan" has that rushed feel of a song with 20 minutes of musical ideas packed into about 13 minutes.  At least the longer songs on Chicago's first self-titled album like "Introduction" and "Beginnings" (which I understand were composed by Robert Lamm unlike "Ballad") had that progressive quality but were better structured songs that seemed like a self-contained work. 
 
Too many musical ideas packed too densely throughout the length of a song makes that song loose focus and seem scattered.  I think that Genesis' Trespass has this scattered quality to it that makes it less enjoyable than later works.  That is, its individual songs tended to have this quality.  It may be that Anthony Phillips was the reason for this.  Perhaps his compositional style moved in the direction of "correcting" this in the coming years...I don't know. 
 
This is all subjective, of course, but there may be a majority who finds densely packed songs as "too busy" for their subjective ears and so this album gets lower marks generally.  Just my two cents. 
 
 
 
 
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Not a classic by any stretch of the imagination. It has some nice songs but that's about it!
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1. Foxtrot
2. Nursery Cryme
3. Trespass

I love the album. Subtle, understated, gentle, fragile, lyrical. Not the level of composition of the "great" albums, but a lot of character and terrific songs.

And The Knife is just brutal.
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Originally posted by The Quiet One The Quiet One wrote:

It's my favorite Genesis album.
 
It's lovely, Anthony's 12-string guitar throughout adds a lot and Peter's vocals couldn't better. Also, Tony Banks' plays some really nice stuff.
ditto on that-it is also my favourite Genesis album-the vocals are especially well done, and the music itself is really appealing, even more so than what came after
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I thin TRESPASS is very important album and " The Knife" bring new dark atmospher with brutal performance in 1970. TRESPASS made Genesis to go next level.If you compare " From Genesis ...." and "Trespass"  you see how one band improved . Gabriel find himself and start the path to reach top.
"Trespass" is one of the Prog Rock's roots and good refrence for next generation. for better undrestand this album you must note to date of this. In 1970 "Trespass" made modern music with new arrangment and wild-dark lyrics.
I'm sure any huge Prog's fans love "Trespass" and undrestand it. I think " The knife" is very bavely song in 1970 and this song has no expire-date and great for every time.
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Many people believe that Genesis started with Hackett and Collins, but that's wrong, Ant is a great guitar player and Mayhew was not bad, and the music is excellent.
 
White Mountain's keyboard makes me have goosebumps, and The Knife is a classic, not a a bad song or filler and a haunting dark atmosphere.
 
Took me time, but I love Trespáss,
 
My Gabriel Genesis rating is:
  1. Foxtrot
  2. Nursery Cryme
  3. Trespass
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Originally posted by PROGMONSTER2008 PROGMONSTER2008 wrote:

I really like it. I think it's definately better than Nursery Cryme


So do I, Progmonster. I think Nursery Cryme is a bit uneven. I think there is a bit of tension in the band on Nursery Cryme, maybe because of the two new members.

Trespass was very ahead of its time, I would say.





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Hi,
 
By the time I heard this album I had already stated listening to Amon Duul 2 and Can and Ange and a lot of other European things ... and I thought the other European things were more "centered" and were much better defined conceptually ... and I happen to like Anthony Phillips and his incredible amount of work ... and experimentation.
 
It was very good ... but I see no reason to place it on a top ten or compare it to anything ... great music is great music and should not be compared to anything else ... and certainly not in a popularity poll as Genesis and ELP seem to win them all!
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