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Poll Question: Which one is your fav?
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I have only heard Hallogallo from Neu! based on some raving comments about it.  My opinion was that the riff/rhythm/beat was really cool, but 11 minutes of that same riff/rhythm beat was about 8 minutes too much for my tastes.
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Yeah i love his reviews too! Especially the one he did on Zeit where he compared it to 4 humming refrigeratorsLOL Brilliant!
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^ Rush's Rush is a good album -- gets a too bum rep sometimes for being too derivative of Zep (can't say I like it as much as Zep, but that's by-the-by).

Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

^Thanks. I guess they continued to make albums like this, but I think this debut is their best, and perhaps also their most subtle. I really dig the subsequent albums, but they never bettered the formula imo. 

BTW how do you feel about the follow up album '2'? I think it gets a bum rep due to the recycling of side 1 on side 2. Personally I think the speed sabotaging of that second side is a small stroke of genius regardless of it being down to lack of finance and studio time.


I also think the début the best, but I really like 2.  2 was actually the first Neu! album I got, and the one that got me into the band in the first place.  I didn't like the début as much as the second when I first heard it, but not surprisingly part of that has to do with hearing the second one first.

By the way, I tend to love Greenback's reviews especially when I have a different perspective on music, and I was reminded of one of my favourites of his reviews about NEU! 2:

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1 stars NEU! = NOISE

Imagine: you record a basic dull & marginal song with minimal guitars and drums, and then you record it at 78 RPM, then 16 RPM, and make an album with that!! Why the hype for that? I can't believe I am the only one to give it the lowest possible rating! Take a dull rhythmic LP of your collection, place it on your turntable, play it without the electrical motor traction: spin fast the vinyl with your finger while listening it! Repeat the same procedure with a VERY slow finger motion! This describes the best how this record sounds!




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Rush by Rush.  Big smile  I've only heard Camel, Caravan, and Diagonal so I won't vote.  Of those 3,  I'd probably lean towards Diagonal for my favorite.
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^Thanks. I guess they continued to make albums like this, but I think this debut is their best, and perhaps also their most subtle. I really dig the subsequent albums, but they never bettered the formula imo. 

BTW how do you feel about the follow up album '2'? I think it gets a bum rep due to the recycling of side 1 on side 2. Personally I think the speed sabotaging of that second side is a small stroke of genius regardless of it being down to lack of finance and studio time.
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Absolutely. Very well said, David.  
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Hah I just did the same Greg. Love the simplicity of it, and that unique 'magic' that keeps unveiling before my ears. It still happens to me actually. Just when i think I know everything about the album, I find new layers. So much happening even if it doesn't sound like it - one has to pay attention with this thing. Maybe that's true with all music, but it's only rarely I've felt it stronger than with NEU!'s debut.
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Ultimately it's between Neu!, Picchio dal Pozzo, and Faust for me, but I'm going with Neu!
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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Originally posted by Mellotron Storm Mellotron Storm wrote:



Went with The Future Kings Of England.  What a powerful, psychedelic monster that is.


I voted for that as well, wonderful album, would follow with Hatfield & National Health


Cool to see these guys getting some love. I thought it would be me and John who knew about this album and then that'd be about it. Nice to see both you and ze dark elf chiming in.
I think I prefer the following album Faith of old Mother Orvis to this one though, but it's pretty damn close. 
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Hawkwind's s/t is a personal favourite. 
I am currently digging:

Hawkwind, Rare Bird, Gong, Tangerine Dream, Khan, Iron Butterfly, and all things canterbury and hard-psych. I also love jazz!

Please drop me a message with album suggestions.
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some other self titled debuts not mentioned, that are great

Atomic Rooster
Dzyan
Budgie
Wishbone Ash
Terje Rypdal
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Originally posted by Mellotron Storm Mellotron Storm wrote:

Went with The Future Kings Of England.  What a powerful, psychedelic monster that is.
Ditto.
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Originally posted by Mellotron Storm Mellotron Storm wrote:



Went with The Future Kings Of England.  What a powerful, psychedelic monster that is.


I voted for that as well, wonderful album, would follow with Hatfield & National Health
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Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

Well there is a certain naive charm about it - even if it does sound awfully close to Santana. A lot more charming than say Mirage, which I then think is a better album. 
Subjectivity is the key, you're absolutely right about thatBig smile
Hmm....never really noticed the similarity to Santana, I'll have to play it later today.
For me Mirage and Moonmadness are equal in their quality.


I was never that keen on Moonmadness, but I do adore some tracks off it. Mirage has always been my fave.
BTW it's the early Santana sound I am referring to. Remove all the latin percussion and the feel and sound is very similar to that Camel debut imo.
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If the first camel only contained  the song Six Act, it would be a short but wonderful album. Tongue
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Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

Well there is a certain naive charm about it - even if it does sound awfully close to Santana. A lot more charming than say Mirage, which I then think is a better album. 
Subjectivity is the key, you're absolutely right about thatBig smile
Hmm....never really noticed the similarity to Santana, I'll have to play it later today.
For me Mirage and Moonmadness are equal in their quality.
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