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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by deafmoon deafmoon wrote:

If you need to keep growing and expanding, maybe merge Jazz Music Archives into this site and just label it, The Music Archives. 

However to do it or whatever to do, I think it's a very important issue to think about in order to do it in a reasonnable way.


I'm still undecided about what to think of the Concerto tbh., but it was bold of them to try it for sure.
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^Oops, answered to the wrong post.
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I think The Doors were one of the first prog-rock bands. People talk about the music, lyrics, so I'll add rhythm.... 

Between 1967-1971,
Break on Through (Bossanova)
Light My Fire (Latin)
Moonlight Drive (Tango)
Cars Hiss By My Window (Blues)
Love Her Madly (Rock)
Wintertime Love (Jazz)
Roadhouse Blues (Shuffle)
Strange Days (Tribal)
The WASP (Military cadence and jazz)
Spanish Caravan (consistent pounding 2nd verse)


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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

Quote Not necessarily an advantage. I speak 4 languages and can read two more
It is an advantage cuz the language is standarized. That way, it's less distracting and more accessible to an average reader. :)

But if you're aiming at international readership, multiple language usage is betterTongueWink

The only problem I see is that  you need someone in your staff fluent in that language to monitor if the review meets the requirements/guidelines.

I certainly would support "internationalizing" the reviews policy on this site. With better online translators (and I know these are far from perfect), I think many of us one-language speakers (myself included) can get by better than we used to. I often use them to translate reviews on RYM which I have found very helpful. This English-only rule prevents non-English speakers/writers from making valuable contributions to the site and, sorry to say, has an air of colonialism in it.

I agree that monitoring reviews so they meet content standards could be an issue. We do have a nice group of folks on the forums that are from many parts of the world and appear to cover a diverse range of languages. Surely we could ask for their help? The other concern I have is this site's ongoing technological issues. I'm not convinced that it can reliably handle the entire Unicode set of characters, most notably with recent troubles with characters containing diacritics.


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Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

It's sad how Deep Purple and Black Sabbath are belittled sometimes, when both bands did some groundbreaking music in their hey day, and in DP's case, early in their career (the Rod Evans era). Both bands quite influential on genres to come, I don't see how them being on PA is controversial. Confused

My dear chap, I was not belittling them. I love both, as any even cursory glance at my written work will attest. They are simply not progressive rock. Art rock at times, yes, and with tracks which were very influenced by and on progressive rock. I was merely stating why they were included, and that was to drive traffic. I didn’t say it was wrong Wink

exactly. In reverse I've sometimes heard ELP described as 'Heavy Metal' (listening to say PAAE this is not a wildly off view) but would you expect them to be anywhere near a site dedicated to Metal or Heavy rock. We can respect bands at a distance perhaps. That said I did push for the inclusion of Maiden here and genuinely thought they had a strong case but plenty pushed back against that. Smile
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Originally posted by MortSahlFan MortSahlFan wrote:

I think The Doors were one of the first prog-rock bands. People talk about the music, lyrics, so I'll add rhythm.... 

Between 1967-1971,
Break on Through (Bossanova)
Light My Fire (Latin)
Moonlight Drive (Tango)
Cars Hiss By My Window (Blues)
Love Her Madly (Rock)
Wintertime Love (Jazz)
Roadhouse Blues (Shuffle)
Strange Days (Tribal)
The WASP (Military cadence and jazz)
Spanish Caravan (consistent pounding 2nd verse)


Aretha Franklin and a gazillion pop and jazz artists boasted the same diversity of genres which is admirable but doesn't make them progressive rock.

I'm OK with The Doors being here simply for The Soft Parade alone otherwise they were just above average to OMG phenomenal psychedelic rock.

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Quote This English-only rule prevents non-English speakers/writers from making valuable contributions to the site and, sorry to say, has an air of colonialism in it.

It's an international language and it's easy to learn by non-English speakers. The colonialism thing is a lame excuse IMO. Why make a website a trash can of shіt in all languages of the world if we can have a clean, tidy accessible international English-languaged website? With easier communication and moderation?


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Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

Quote This English-only rule prevents non-English speakers/writers from making valuable contributions to the site and, sorry to say, has an air of colonialism in it.

It's an international language and it's easy to learn by non-English speakers. The colonialism thing is a lame excuse IMO. Why make a website a trash can of shіt in all languages of the world if we can have a clean, tidy accessible international English-languaged website? With easier communication and moderation?

Sorry, I guess I was wrong about that idea. Maybe it's just me? I work with multilingual databases in my day job and I'm just used to seeing things in many languages in my line of work (which is mostly messing around with library metadata for database ingestion).
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I love that RYM allows multiple languages

It’s no big deal to use google translate these days

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There's a difference between business stuff and a music website, on which people don't want to feel like they can't access/understand something, because it's in a language they can't speak for example and machine translators can't really do a good job at translating that body of text (Finnish and Basque are super tricky for machine translation for instance). There should be a way to unify the music lovers from all around the world, and one of those things is to have everything in a universal language that is English.
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Quote I love that RYM allows multiple languages

It’s no big deal to use google translate these days

Yeah? But why should the reader use an unprecise tool to get a general sense of understanding someone's review? Can't that reviewer write their Basque or Finnish etc. reviews on like a website that's designed in such a language? And use English in the first place for international communication?
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^ well it’s probably because if they didn’t write a review in their own language then they wouldn’t write a review at all

I think it adds a level on inclusion that English only lacks

Also it’s a great way to learn a new language!

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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

I love that RYM allows multiple languages

It’s no big deal to use google translate these days

I live my life without the GAFA's

It took me years to kick out google out of my PC for good (had to make sure the updates didn't reinstall it), but I finally managed it

More difficult to do it at work, though, as I don't master the whole shebang. 
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Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

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It's an international language and it's easy to learn by non-English speakers. The colonialism thing is a lame excuse IMO. Why make a website a trash can of shіt in all languages of the world if we can have a clean, tidy accessible international English-language website? With easier communication and moderation?

Hi,

The idea is right and makes sense and it would be a nice Utopian view of communication world wide.  It would also be a sort of "euro" where the sharing and the this and that can be worked out and each country can benefit ... until one set of hooligans decide they want out because they are richer than the rest and they want the money and the controls.

Now you have an issue, and someone that thinks their language, their method and their color and their dog, is the way things should be ... what happens then? The communication and moderation breaks down, and it goes back to their old customs, with one issue ... the smaller country and cultural group ends up decimated ... I guess that's the history of the world, anyway, the strong survive and the weak die! 

Now change the wording ... what happens if Chinese becomes "the" language in the Far East .... and the Japanese will want another war? I know what side you gonna fight on (I would too!). Not sure we can include/change thousands of years of history in this story ... 

 


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Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

Quote I love that RYM allows multiple languages

It’s no big deal to use google translate these days

Yeah? But why should the reader use an unprecise tool to get a general sense of understanding someone's review? Can't that reviewer write their Basque or Finnish etc. reviews on like a website that's designed in such a language? And use English in the first place for international communication?


I don't know about Basque and Finnish, but there is no such website in Danish.
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Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

Quote I love that RYM allows multiple languages

It’s no big deal to use google translate these days

Yeah? But why should the reader use an unprecise tool to get a general sense of understanding someone's review? Can't that reviewer write their Basque or Finnish etc. reviews on like a website that's designed in such a language? And use English in the first place for international communication?

What if they don't speak English?
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Wow. So what if there are reviews in another language and you can't read them. Is it the end of the world? The fact is that they allow other languages for reviews. The main idea was to create RYM in all languages and each site would have reviews in its respective language. That's a tall order and i guess they've fallen behind in that lofty pursuit. Personally i love it. I speak multiple languages and it helps me with becoming fluent especially with musical terminology.

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Looks like some folks will remain close-minded forever. :P I will now abandon all my attempts at trying to present my views. :) If that's cool for you, then it's fuсking fine.
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So you can't take the heat when someone disagrees, huh? I find it futile to spin one's wheels over something so petty and out of one's own control. So now disagreeing is tantamount to being close-minded? LOL. Lighten up. It's all just good conversation. Your point is totally heard and you have a right to your opinion. I'm just saying that i DO like multiple languages but i'm a linguist so go figure Big smile


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