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Atavachron 
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I'm pretty sure that was Led Zeppelin circa 1968. |
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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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Zeph
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Posted: September 10 2023 at 14:39 |
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You could focus on a handful of bands that has a very limited selection that might could fit into some of the genres on PA, or on the hundreds, thousands of bands that fit, no questions asked.
This is not a glass half empty or half full situation, but one where the glass is filled to above the top of the glass, and a couple more drops would cause it to spill over. |
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Angelo
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Posted: September 10 2023 at 15:06 |
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How long have you been away, 16, 17 years?
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I stopped blogging and reviewing - so won't be handling requests. Promo's for ariplay can be sent to [email protected] |
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Disconnect
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Posted: September 10 2023 at 15:48 |
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There is a direct and multi-threaded link from psychedelic music to progressive rock. We all know that, right?
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The Anders
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Posted: September 10 2023 at 15:49 |
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Personally, I identify more as an art rock fan than a prog fan as such - hence why Lamb is my favourite Genesis album, and not f.e. Foxtrot. As it happens, there is no such thing as Art Rock Archives, so I am quite pleased that there is room for that here as well. Thus, I am often more interested in some of the bands and musicians in the periphery of prog rather than the more archetypal prog bands (with the exception of Pink Floyd), and I would be very sad to see them go.
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mathman0806
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Posted: September 10 2023 at 16:10 |
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No. I don't think it's lost its way. I have been around for about 10 years, so I can't comment before that. Traffic isn't as much as I recall seeing when I first joined. I thought Prog Archives had generally a broader range than what I considered as prog but I have no complaints about that. I have discovered much new music to enjoy that I otherwise wouldn't have on my own.
The original poster's hyperbole of combining with Jazz Archives doesn't make sense as combining the two wouldn't come close to covering all music. Of course, PA will contnue to grow as long as there are bands producing new adventurous music. There will never be universal agreement about what should or shouldn't be here. |
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Cristi
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Posted: September 10 2023 at 16:12 |
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Great post!
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Atavachron
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Posted: September 10 2023 at 16:18 |
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It's actually still a fairly conservative little institution.
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Nogbad_The_Bad
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Posted: September 10 2023 at 16:33 |
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But it's not proggy prog!
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Ian
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Stressed Cheese
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Posted: September 10 2023 at 17:39 |
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1) People are smart enough to see the category "proto-prog" assigned to them, and 2) most people are smart enough to understand that, while they're not prog, per se, they're important for the genre's inception.
You could argue that proto-prog and prog-related artists don't have a place here at all, and that there's too many metal genres that have little to do with classic prog rock, but then I wouldn't say PA 'lost its way', because that has always been the case AFAIK.
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Awesoreno
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Posted: September 10 2023 at 22:58 |
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They did, but quickly became The Hinges after realizing the name wouldn't get passed the censors in the UK.
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cstack3
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Posted: September 11 2023 at 00:58 |
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Ish, all these labels! I'm able to discern progressive tendencies in all sorts of popular music, including new wave (Fripp's League of Gentlemen was amazing live!), punk (I played bass in a Chicago punk band, The Marquis, who had an amazing, jazz-rock influenced guitarist), disco etc.
All of this proto, pre-, post, math etc. is a bunch of baloney in my book!! ALL music is based upon mathematics, ALL music led to what we now call "progressive" (Quintette du Hot Club de France!), etc. Mind you, there is some fairly "regressive" music out there such as hip-hop, rap or whatever it's called. I see little value in all of that. What am I missing? I know that the late, great Peter Banks also disliked the term "prog" and said "They should call it George or something."
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: September 11 2023 at 01:46 |
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^ Yes, labels and tags are fuzzy criteria of limited value. Which is why created a website where we have lots of labels and tags, but they are never an exclusion criterion.
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omphaloskepsis
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Posted: September 11 2023 at 04:59 |
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Compared to five years ago, the number of reviews/ratings dropped drastically.
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Cristi
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Posted: September 11 2023 at 05:00 |
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Drastically?! How drastically? I think you are exaggerating a little bit.
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progaardvark
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Posted: September 11 2023 at 05:07 |
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Wasn't I in a band called the Head Jambs? Or was it the Escutcheons?
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omphaloskepsis
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Posted: September 11 2023 at 05:11 |
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Of course, older albums have more reviews/ratings than recent albums. Yet, I think the downward review/rating trend is obvious. Compare the 2022 top 10 albums with the 2018 top ten. 677 ratings for 2022 top ten. 2093 ratings for 2018 top 10 albums. The 2015 top 10 albums have a total of 7325 ratings. Unless I'm mistaken, new albums tend to collect more reviews/ratings per year than older albums. In the current year 2023 albums collect more reviews/ratings than 2018 albums. The lion's share of 2018 reviews/ratings are from the 2018-2019 years. For example, the #1 album from 2018 (All Traps On Earth) collected 27 reviews in 2018-2019 and 7 reviews in all the years since then. Edited by omphaloskepsis - September 11 2023 at 05:32 |
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Cristi
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Posted: September 11 2023 at 05:33 |
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ok, thanks for explaining.
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SteveG
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Posted: September 11 2023 at 06:19 |
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Ah, to be prog or not to be prog? That is the question. I'm not sure myself why some artists are included here, especially some listed under "prog related", but "crossover prog" seems more straight forward. But what of the bands like Genesis and Yes that rebranded themselves as pop rockers in the 80's? Should their more "commercial" albums be ejected from the archives, leaving only their early prog classics to be included?
What we have is what we have. It's up to us to make the best of it. And incase no one was looking, the Main page is usually filled with reviews of the most outra prog albums imaginable, from a myriad of different sub genres both old and new. Reviews are the main reason this site exists. The rest is all academic to that purpose.
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Hrychu
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Posted: September 11 2023 at 07:09 |
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If you're gonna remove The Doors because they're not really prog, then you should also get rid of, like, Klaus Schultze or uh, Tangerine Dream...? Soniq Theater? xD The point is that labeling can get real subjective and there always will be some purist who might say "this shouldn't be on PA, because it's too pop, not rock enough, too derivative" and so on and so on et al. The fact the subgenres are there is super convenient IMHO, because it gives you clue on what to expect from a band, if you for example want to explore new music. But anyway, an actual good way to improve the site would be to make star ratings in reviews optional. B)
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