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VanVanVan 
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Joined: October 08 2009 Status: Offline Points: 756 |
 Posted: October 15 2010 at 18:06 |
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Also, to clarify, Alaska is an album by Between the Buried and Me (BtBAM), not another band. I didn't really make that clear.  Dear Hunter is a great suggestion for the punk friend.
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"The meaning of life is to give life meaning."-Arjen Lucassen
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Xanatos
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Banned Joined: February 01 2010 Location: Latin America Status: Offline Points: 305 |
Posted: October 17 2010 at 13:02 |
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Can you hive a "Hook" song for the Metalhead? He is the easiest one , plz!
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Logan
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Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: In repose. Status: Offline Points: 38969 |
Posted: October 18 2010 at 11:45 |
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Punk Friend: The Residents, Captain Beefheart, Can, Koenjihyakkei, Zappa (also try VdGG or Hammill solo) -- I've found all of those popular with punk-oriented individuals. In 1977, Johnny Rotten of the Sex Pisols was interviewed and mentioned his favourite albums: neat list (Sid Vicious got him into Can and I know punkers that don't care for Prog, but love Can as well as The Residents, The Cardiacs, Beefheart etc.) -- http://www.fodderstompf.com/ARCHIVES/REVIEWS%202/capital77.html
Metalhead friend: Taal, and try Morglbl, and Hoyry-Kone. Also, definitely, Kayo Dot and Maudlin of the Well. |
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Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.
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Logan
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Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: In repose. Status: Offline Points: 38969 |
Posted: October 18 2010 at 18:33 |
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Okay, here's a hook track for the metalhead:
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Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.
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Xanatos
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Banned Joined: February 01 2010 Location: Latin America Status: Offline Points: 305 |
Posted: October 18 2010 at 20:20 |
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Dellinger
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VIP Member Joined: June 18 2009 Location: Mexico Status: Offline Points: 12883 |
Posted: October 18 2010 at 22:32 |
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Well, often when someone asks to show them what I like, I tell them that it's some weird music and that it is difficult to get into, or something like that, and somewhat "indicate" that they may not like it. Weird enough, that rather makes them ask me to put some, and then they don't overcritisize, they go like... well it's not so bad; surely they won't quiet so easily converted, but at least they'll listen more willingy just to prove that they won't get so easily frightened with music.
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Majikthise
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Joined: August 29 2010 Status: Offline Points: 85 |
Posted: October 18 2010 at 23:36 |
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Make your metalhead friend listen to Crack the Skye by Mastodon. Easily accessable for the metal fans, but interesting enough to hopefully trigger an interest in the more progressive side of things. You can't introduce people to prog by chucking them in the deep end, they get overwhelmed. Do it gradually. |
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irrelevant
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 07 2010 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 13382 |
Posted: October 19 2010 at 02:21 |
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Behold... the Arctopus then.
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Mikeyg
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Joined: May 05 2010 Location: Somerset, UK Status: Offline Points: 15 |
Posted: October 20 2010 at 17:18 |
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Dellinger....no prog rock is wierd music, its a natural progression of hundreds of years of mostly European classical music that has evolved, must of the bands I hold in esteem are classically taught, they push bounderies in different directions. Why would you want to convert someones choosen choice of music, they like what they like, you like what you like, and I like what I like. This is a prog rock forum, not a crusade, we English and our Spanish partners did that hundreds of years ago Into the NEW WORLD, look how that worked out! This site has opened up my eyes to music that I would never have come across, but for its contributors. Yes an awfull lot of it is not my taste but I have found a few Gems and I cant knock other peoples tastes Dont impose your taste upon others, that has keeped us in Europe happily at war for Millenia. I dont see the point of the American 6th Fleet and our Royal Navy Taking on the World AGAIN to impose our personal tastes in music upon anyone. Its a voyage of discovery, we can all take, thats the fun of it. Besides would you like me to force my regional Indian music upon you? Thats what keeps us above other mammals....BUT ONLY JUST....... we have choice, and we make our own minds up. Prog Rock is not Chopin, Bach or Shostakovich....I like them too. We are free to like what we like.
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lucas
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 06 2004 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 8138 |
Posted: October 20 2010 at 17:29 |
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I like indian music, just like almost any musical genre.
I don't like the idea of trying to make people like a specific kind of music, I don't listen to music because of its label, but because of its content.
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"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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lucas
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 06 2004 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 8138 |
Posted: October 20 2010 at 17:33 |
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Open to other musical genres.
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"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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Mikeyg
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Joined: May 05 2010 Location: Somerset, UK Status: Offline Points: 15 |
Posted: October 20 2010 at 18:32 |
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Hello Lucas, yeah Indian Music is great, an no one has the right to impose music upon anyone, I love Ange and Magma, saw them both in London....amazin....I will send the Royal Navy back to port, though with our tax hikes and and horrendus cutbacks announced today we could send them out again an maybe our guys in Afghanistan will fly back on Easyjet or RyanAir. You are so right Music is its content what matters to you....Dellinger, not sure if that is a corupsion (the gangster?). Lucas I have found a lot of great music in France, found great music everywhere...the world is full of good music....I like this site because It pampers to my preference for prog rock and is a bloody good site. Dont want anyone telling me in the forum what 'I must listen too because this is the best'............. I can make my own mind about that......Joke now......."Hogweed Is Avenged"!
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rogerthat
Prog Reviewer
Joined: September 03 2006 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 9869 |
Posted: October 20 2010 at 20:18 |
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As an Indian, may I ask what regional Indian music do you like?
You are right about prog rock being sort of a rock extension of European classical music but the 'weird' tag is probably not too far off the mark for modern prog metal because it really is more of a kind of technical and not so accessible music and is fairly lightweight in terms of form (when compared to the best prog from the 70s). |
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Anthony H.
Prog Reviewer
Joined: April 11 2010 Location: Virginia Status: Offline Points: 6088 |
Posted: October 20 2010 at 20:42 |
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Opeth is by far the best band to get a metalhead into prog.
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Dellinger
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VIP Member Joined: June 18 2009 Location: Mexico Status: Offline Points: 12883 |
Posted: October 20 2010 at 23:05 |
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Oh, well, perhaps prog is not weird to us, but for some people who are only used to hearing pop it does may sound somewhat weird if they don't take the time to "understand it". And I certainly don't try to impose it, I'm just giving an idea as to the question of the thread. I usually don't try to convert people, and when I have to put music I try to find more easy going music... but now, if they ask me what I like I may just risk giving them some examples of prog music and see what happens. And certainly I wouldn't like you to FORCE your regional indian music to me, but I would be rather interested in hearing some sugestions about what would be good... and if there was some prog mixing with this indian music, it might just as well be interesting too... |
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Mikeyg
Forum Newbie
Joined: May 05 2010 Location: Somerset, UK Status: Offline Points: 15 |
Posted: October 21 2010 at 09:33 |
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Hi Lucas and Dellinger, first to answer you Lucas, I am white English, not that this shouud be an excuse, I have worked in Madras, no I should say Chennai, quite a few times....love the place. On a past visit I was introduced to the Madras Music Academy, I think it was proposed by an E. Krishna Lyer back in the 20s, they post regular concerts in order to promote the diversity of Indian dance music which I believe is known as Bharatanatyam. I was never able to understand the story of the performances and dance I saw but loved the music and still do, It was a buzz to be a lone white face in a concert hall but I enjoyed it. I am no expert though I do read a lot of Indian literature and have learnt a great deal about Indian musical diversity.
Dellinger, I meant no disrespect to you, but I can only judge from my 21 year old daughters music development...she was listening to the Spice Girls until she was about 7 then one day I come home from work and found my treasured album collection of prog all mixed up, I am English Pandantic and its stored alphabetically. It turned out that she was attracted by the album artwork, but to my horror I found out she was playing my albums when I was away, I never tried to influence her, it was curiosity. She now listens to 70s Genesis, Gentle Giant and all the other stuff that came from that period and we go to Enid gigs together. She did me a great favour recently, you see there are very few American Bands that I like, except Todd Rundgren and Utopia, but she introduced me to Glasshammer. That band is amazing and totally encapsulates the spirit of the prog that I love, arguably not original but brilliant none the less.
Lucas and Delliger, I listen to a lot of Madrigal music and Folk music, like Gryphon and Fairport Convention, I appreciate good musicianship and not someone who can string two three chords together. Maybe I am in the wrong, maybe I am too elitist, but no offence intended.
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Mikeyg
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Joined: May 05 2010 Location: Somerset, UK Status: Offline Points: 15 |
Posted: October 21 2010 at 09:49 |
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Dellinger, I will dig out some examples of Indian Music for you, may or may not be to your taste, believe me my partner and I cannot agree on music, it almost like religion, she listens to Kings of Leon, AC/DC, The Clash, Kiss, Black Sabbath....believe me its a battle that no one can win.
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rogerthat
Prog Reviewer
Joined: September 03 2006 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 9869 |
Posted: October 21 2010 at 11:35 |
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Have mentioned this a few times before in different threads, but I pick Ilayaraja: Not prog in the extended sections, epic lengths sense but his blend of the Western and Carnatic schools of music is about as PROGRESSIVE as it gets and in his use of sophisticated compositional techniques, he can leave very many prog rock bands far behind. There is no one quite like him in Indo-Western fusion though Shakti gets a honourable mention and would run him closer if they were more prolific. There is also the fabulous Indian guitarist Prasanna who has worked with Victor Wooten and his brand of Carnatic based jazz rock/fusion is very unique too: |
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Shevrzl
Forum Senior Member
Joined: July 27 2009 Location: OP Status: Offline Points: 316 |
Posted: October 21 2010 at 12:03 |
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Have you watched the movie Nayagan? Ilayaraja did the score for that one, remains one of my favourite Tamil movies ever. Yeah, lots of Indians here in Malaysia, myself included (though I'm not Hindu) so he's pretty famous here. Anyway, check this guy out if you haven't already. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZufkBpXemYM |
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rogerthat
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Joined: September 03 2006 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 9869 |
Posted: October 21 2010 at 12:16 |
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Not sure I have seen THAT performance, but of course Sivamani is very popular here. Nayagan was a great OST, but my picks for Ilayaraja's best OSTs would be Mouna Raagam, Agni Natchatiram, Ninaivellam Nithya and Punnagai Mannan.
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of going to school and having no one to talk or share musical tastes (Surely almost all here are in the same situation) So i am gonna to convert them to prog (see image) 
