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CCVP 
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 Topic: Is Pink Floyd the most influential prog rock band?
Posted: July 22 2008 at 01:18 |
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I know that this topic will be quite controversial, but i have gathered some arguments that convinced me that Pink Floyd is possibly the most influential band of progressive rock.
1st: its the only progressive rock band to be listed in the top selling bands / artists of the world that did not changed substantially their style throughout their career, unlike Genesis.
2nd: when punk emerged, Pink Floyd was one of the main bands to be directly attacked by the punks as they were one of the main progressive rock bands.
3rd: unlike the other big progressive rock giants like Yes, Genesis, ELP, King Crimson, Jethro Tull and Gentle Giant, their influence reaches far beyond prog rock. For example, are dance versions of Run Like Hell, Comfortably Numb and Another Brick in the Wall pt2. Besides, On the Run is still played as a techno song by some DJs.
4th: Pink Floyd influenced many pop and pop rock bands, something that the progressive bands said above could not do so broadly, specially if you only consider their progressive periods.
5th: Among progressive rock bands, their reach is even bigger: they were capable to influence bands since the 70's until today and, unlike the many Yes, Genesis and ELP "clones", the floydian clones or floydian influenced bands usually get better grades here at the archives and sound much more original (that counting the 70's alone).
Today their reach on prog rock have become even greater: they were an influence from space rock / psychedelic rock to extreme progressive metal metal, passing through many other genres of prog in between.
6th: their line up change were important to consolidate the style of the band. Besides, compared to the other bands listed here as essential progressive rock bands, their line-up change was minimal.
To reinforce that, a small list of Pink Floyd-influenced bands : Dream theater, Pain of Salvation, Eloy, Negative Zone, Riverside, Opeth, Porcupine Tree, Pulsar and Violeta de Outono.
Now, people from PA, DISSCUSS!
Edited by CCVP - July 22 2008 at 01:20
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Posted: July 22 2008 at 01:53 |
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I really don't think so, i'm not a big fan of Pink Floyd, some albums appeal more than others, but as a whole sometime can get very boring and repetative. Anyway the album that i like and considered a masterpiece and the best is to me Animals, followed by Dark side and Wall. other albums that i enjoy are Momentary laps and Division bell, the rest of the catalogue is to me kinda boring, i even give 3 stars to Wish you are here, so finally i don't think that Pink Floyd is the main band on this planet and the most inflencial prog rock band, but for sure they contribute a lot in growing and developing prog rock as a whole. I find albums from Genesis, Camel, Renaissance, Gentle Giant, Jethro Tull or even Manfred Mann's Earth Bands to give some examples to be much more exciting or chalenging than many PF albums. So i don't know if i'm pleasing with this though but this is my opinion, very important band but not the most important.
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Posted: July 22 2008 at 02:02 |
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b_olariu, nobody is saying that Pink Floyd is the best prog rock band ever, CCVP just said that they're the most influential. To me, that's obviously true. EVERYBODY knows Pink Floyd (ok, mostly they just know Wish You Were Here and Another Brick in the Wall part 2), and the same cannot be said about any of the bands in this site (excluding Prog Related/Proto-Prog). Yes and Genesis are famous too, but nothing compared to PF.
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CCVP
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Posted: July 22 2008 at 02:29 |
 Imadofus wrote:
b_olariu, nobody is saying that Pink Floyd is the best prog rock band ever, CCVP just said that they're the most influential. To me, that's obviously true. EVERYBODY knows Pink Floyd (ok, mostly they just know Wish You Were Here and Another Brick in the Wall part 2), and the same cannot be said about any of the bands in this site (excluding Prog Related/Proto-Prog). Yes and Genesis are famous too, but nothing compared to PF.
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true, i did not said they were the BEST prog band. Besides, this thing of being the best is different for everyone. Everyone will have a different favorite band, so discuss this is useless. What i am saying here is more objective: i am saying that Floyd is the most influential band and asking if you agree or if you don't. Let's just discuss!
Edited by CCVP - July 22 2008 at 02:30
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Posted: July 22 2008 at 02:44 |
@ b_olariu just because you don't like PF is not relavent to the conversation
I think that PF is the most well known by mainstream music people than any other Prog group. As for influential I don't thnk any of the bands you mentioned, Yes, Genesis, KC, etc. can be said to be more influential than another. Plus many of the bands you listed as influenced by PF i.e. Porcupine Tree, certainly had other influences besides PF.
Most influential does not exist.
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Posted: July 22 2008 at 02:52 |
CCVP wrote:
I know that this topic will be quite controversial, but i have gathered some arguments that convinced me that Pink Floyd is possibly the most influential band of progressive rock.
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I'd go further - they're probably one of the most influential rock bands ever - possibly up there with the Beatles, Who and Stones.
1. Floyd were recording "Piper..." at Abbey Road at the same time that the Beatles were recording "Sgt Pepper", and it is known that McCartney, at least, attended some of the Floyd gigs in London.
2. Floyd were a strong influence on the development of Progressive music, which appears to have centered around the Marquee, where bands like The Syn, The Nice, Art, the Jimi Hendrix Experience, Jethro Tull and a large number of other bands all played and mingled.
3. I'd suspect, although I haven't made the solid links yet, that Floyd were an influence on the Ladbroke Grove scene that gave rise to heavier space rock bands like Hawkwind, The Pink Fairies, Twink and The Deviants.
4. The German Kosmisch scene owes a huge debt to Pink Floyd - their influence is almost tangible, especially on the earliest releases. Bands not influenced by Floyd from that time seem to be the exception, and limited to Can and Kraftwerk - although it's arguable that, without Floyd (and the Soft Machine), that kind of scene could never have arisen.
5. Floyd were also an influence on the avante-garde and electronic scenes in the early 1960s - the debut album by White Noise (Delia Derbyshire) features a long piece that is substantially based on "A Saucerful of Secrets".
In short, while their direct influence is still strong today, their indirect influence is now incalculable, as bands have been influenced by bands who were influenced by Floyd, and so it goes on.
CCVP wrote:
1st: its the only progressive rock band to be listed in the top selling bands / artists of the world that did not changed substantially their style throughout their career, unlike Genesis. |
Their style changed quite a lot from "Piper..." to "Meddle" - and "The Wall" was an even bigger stylistic change. After "The Final Cut", the Waters influence was noticeably missing, and the Dave Gilmour band settled into a more comfortable sound, so I don't think it's true to say that their style didn't substantially change.
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2nd: when punk emerged, Pink Floyd was one of the main bands to be directly attacked by the punks as they were one of the main progressive rock bands.
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Not really true either - most of the "attacking" by punks was tongue-in-cheek. Many punks were really Prog fans - and in some cases, Prog rockers.
You have to recall that punk was all about the attitude, and was supposed to be a big act that, because it was so aggressive and scary at the time, some people actually took seriously and took the bait and got all offended.
"Proper" punk is summed up by phrase "The Great Rock and Roll Swindle" - it was an attack on establishment, not Prog rock per se. Prog happened to get in the way because it was a big target to shoot at - and people like big targets because they're easier to hit.
Don't be confused by the fact that Johnny Rotten famously wore a T-Shirt stating "I Hate Pink Floyd" (or something like that). That was just part of the shock tactics - few things create a stir like hostile alienation. Rotten (Lydon) is famously a big Peter Hammill/VDGG fan.
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Posted: July 22 2008 at 03:13 |
Imadofus wrote:
b_olariu, nobody is saying that Pink Floyd is the best prog rock band ever, CCVP just said that they're the most influential. To me, that's obviously true. EVERYBODY knows Pink Floyd (ok, mostly they just know Wish You Were Here and Another Brick in the Wall part 2), and the same cannot be said about any of the bands in this site (excluding Prog Related/Proto-Prog). Yes and Genesis are famous too, but nothing compared to PF.
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"so finally i don't think that Pink Floyd is the main band on this planet and the most inflencial prog rock band"
I said these words, i never said is the best prog rock band ever,
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Posted: July 22 2008 at 03:17 |
[QUOTE=kenmartree]@ b_olariu just because you don't like PF is not relavent to the conversation
I think that PF is the most well known by mainstream music people than any other Prog group. As for influential I don't thnk any of the bands you mentioned, Yes, Genesis, KC, etc. can be said to be more influential than another. Plus many of the bands you listed as influenced by PF i.e. Porcupine Tree, certainly had other influences besides PF.
Most influential does not exist.
I just write what i think, so what is the big deal that i don't like so much PF like others, so i don't understand what is your first sentence.
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Posted: July 22 2008 at 03:17 |
b_olariu wrote:
Imadofus wrote:
b_olariu, nobody is saying that Pink Floyd is the best prog rock band ever, CCVP just said that they're the most influential. To me, that's obviously true. EVERYBODY knows Pink Floyd (ok, mostly they just know Wish You Were Here and Another Brick in the Wall part 2), and the same cannot be said about any of the bands in this site (excluding Prog Related/Proto-Prog). Yes and Genesis are famous too, but nothing compared to PF.
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"so finally i don't think that Pink Floyd is the main band on this planet and the most inflencial prog rock band"
I said these words, i never said is the best prog rock band ever, |
It's not very clear how you came to that conclusion - between the lines, it does read like you're saying "I don't like them, therefore they can't be the most influential"
Could you elaborate a bit more on why you don't think they're the most influential?
Edited by Certif1ed - July 22 2008 at 03:18
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Posted: July 22 2008 at 03:25 |
Certif1ed wrote:
b_olariu wrote:
Imadofus wrote:
b_olariu, nobody is saying that Pink Floyd is the best prog rock band ever, CCVP just said that they're the most influential. To me, that's obviously true. EVERYBODY knows Pink Floyd (ok, mostly they just know Wish You Were Here and Another Brick in the Wall part 2), and the same cannot be said about any of the bands in this site (excluding Prog Related/Proto-Prog). Yes and Genesis are famous too, but nothing compared to PF.
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"so finally i don't think that Pink Floyd is the main band on this planet and the most inflencial prog rock band"
I said these words, i never said is the best prog rock band ever, |
It's not very clear how you came to that conclusion - between the lines, it does read like you're saying "I don't like them, therefore they can't be the most influential"
Could you elaborate a bit more on why you don't think they're the most influential? |
I think is a matter of taste after all, maybe you are right with don't like them, therefore they can't be the most influential", but not totaly. I will dig depper for my thouts and return with a solid argument.
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Posted: July 22 2008 at 03:27 |
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Pink Floyd were just the most accessible and marketable prog band. Hell, they only ever wrote two full prog albums (Wish You Were Here and Animals), the rest were just pop/rock albums with unique production. They were basically the Radiohead of the 70's.
Edited by Harry Hood - July 22 2008 at 03:33
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Posted: July 22 2008 at 03:53 |
b_olariu wrote:
Certif1ed wrote:
b_olariu wrote:
Imadofus wrote:
b_olariu, nobody is saying that Pink Floyd is the best prog rock band ever, CCVP just said that they're the most influential. To me, that's obviously true. EVERYBODY knows Pink Floyd (ok, mostly they just know Wish You Were Here and Another Brick in the Wall part 2), and the same cannot be said about any of the bands in this site (excluding Prog Related/Proto-Prog). Yes and Genesis are famous too, but nothing compared to PF.
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"so finally i don't think that Pink Floyd is the main band on this planet and the most inflencial prog rock band"
I said these words, i never said is the best prog rock band ever, |
It's not very clear how you came to that conclusion - between the lines, it does read like you're saying "I don't like them, therefore they can't be the most influential"
Could you elaborate a bit more on why you don't think they're the most influential? |
I think is a matter of taste after all, maybe you are right with don't like them, therefore they can't be the most influential", but not totaly. I will dig depper for my thouts and return with a solid argument. |
Good stuff - but you surely don't think that "influential" is a matter of taste, when the facts speak for themselves?
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Posted: July 22 2008 at 04:16 |
Certif1ed wrote:
b_olariu wrote:
Certif1ed wrote:
b_olariu wrote:
Imadofus wrote:
b_olariu, nobody is saying that Pink Floyd is the best prog rock band ever, CCVP just said that they're the most influential. To me, that's obviously true. EVERYBODY knows Pink Floyd (ok, mostly they just know Wish You Were Here and Another Brick in the Wall part 2), and the same cannot be said about any of the bands in this site (excluding Prog Related/Proto-Prog). Yes and Genesis are famous too, but nothing compared to PF.
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"so finally i don't think that Pink Floyd is the main band on this planet and the most inflencial prog rock band"
I said these words, i never said is the best prog rock band ever, |
It's not very clear how you came to that conclusion - between the lines, it does read like you're saying "I don't like them, therefore they can't be the most influential"
Could you elaborate a bit more on why you don't think they're the most influential? |
I think is a matter of taste after all, maybe you are right with don't like them, therefore they can't be the most influential", but not totaly. I will dig depper for my thouts and return with a solid argument. |
Good stuff - but you surely don't think that "influential" is a matter of taste, when the facts speak for themselves? |
I think is among the most popular in history of music and from the ‘70’s, but I can’t understant how thy become so big today. To give an example Gentle Giant’s or jethro Tull’s music is 100 time more intristing and challenging that anything PF done, to me . It’s true that PF influenced tones of bands from then and now but and other bands deed that. Doesn’t mean if some pieces from them are translate into elecronic or techno dance or other crap will be an influnceal part for this kind of music. I think PF is like Dream Theater today, to much noise about them, every where I look PF or DT, I read something PF or DT. To be very clear I like both bands, but because we talk about PF I like them and I appreciat their albums and I’m awear of the importance they have over the years but I don’t think is the most influencial band in prog rock, is a little overrated in my opinion, and all the music is good or bad or much in front or second league because of the tastes of the public that buy their music. Sorry if I misspeld some words, but I can’t give an answear better tha that right now.
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Posted: July 22 2008 at 04:24 |
i certainly would have thought that Pink Floyd was the most influential band that is listed as prog rock in the archives. Inarguably, an extremely influential band. Now we need a topic for the most influential prog-related bands. ;)
And, in regards to an earlier point, most influential does exist.
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Posted: July 22 2008 at 04:30 |
My favorite album from Pink Floyd is Ummagumma (is the most experimental and innovator). And I'm really shore that without this album there will be not exist such music genre like Kraut, Avant-garde, Psychedelic electronic, Post-rock, Math rock, and so on.
And it should be considerate in top 3 of the most influential prog rock band, whit artists like Mother of Invention/Frank Zappa and King Crimson.
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Posted: July 22 2008 at 04:51 |
Pink Floyd ... the most influencial prog band ever ... of course! 
PF's influence seems to have little genre boundry within the progosphere, and extends deep into the worlds of mainstram rock and pop.
And PF are easily the band with the most kudos with regard to bringing prog recognition to the masses.
I am very comfortable with statement that Pink Floyd is the most influential prog rock band ... and can see that PF could be up there with The Beatles as the most influential band of any (as Certif1ed has suggested).
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Posted: July 22 2008 at 05:00 |
Certif1ed wrote:
Don't be confused by the fact that Johnny Rotten famously wore a T-Shirt stating "I Hate Pink Floyd" (or something like that). That was just part of the shock tactics - few things create a stir like hostile alienation. Rotten (Lydon) is famously a big Peter Hammill/VDGG fan. |
I heard my first Can track - Halleluhwah - on a compilation of songs that influenced The Sex Pistols' John Lydon. I bought Tago Mago and Ege Bamyasi not long after hearing this compilation.
Perhaps The Sex Pistols can get a credit for furthering the cause of Prog! 
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Posted: July 22 2008 at 06:02 |
Pink Floyd ... the most influencial prog band ever ... of course!
Do bears sh&t in the woods.......of course |
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Posted: July 22 2008 at 06:13 |
Certif1ed wrote:
CCVP wrote:
I know that this topic will be quite controversial, but i have gathered some arguments that convinced me that Pink Floyd is possibly the most influential band of progressive rock.
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I'd go further - they're probably one of the most influential rock bands ever - possibly up there with the Beatles, Who and Stones.
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Hey Cert, I don't mean to nitpick but I think you should top that short list with Bob Dylan and Jimi Hendrix  just my two cents, but I want the young folks to get a proper education.
Pete Townsend - "Hendrix did more to change rock than the Beatles."
Edited by Easy Money - July 22 2008 at 06:16
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Posted: July 22 2008 at 06:26 |
Easy Money wrote:
Pete Townsend - "Hendrix did more to change rock than the Beatles." |
 love Pete.. but ....ehhhh... wrong answer.  wihout the Beatles.. Hendrix would have still been a side-man for American R&B acts....
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