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Atavachron 
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 Posted: March 02 2009 at 21:53 |
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(though I'm slightly more tolerant of Billy Idol's best stuff (Rebel Yell, Eyes Without a Face in particular)). |
I stand corrected-- the man did, on occasion, rock..and he could've done a lot worse than Steve Stevens
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Posted: March 02 2009 at 22:01 |
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Well this is one of those very interesting debates that is as likely to be solved as the Water/Gilmour debates or the "Is Drama legit" debate. It is eye opening for me to read why people like it. For me it has long been really on the poor side, syrupy sweet, repetitive choruses, just awful stuff. Certainly the chops are still there, but too little of the magic.
Pop and prog, god knows I love plenty of both. 90125 scratches neither itch, and doesn't hold up at all over time, for me.
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progkidjoel
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Posted: March 02 2009 at 22:08 |
Lack of pumping bass lines for me, other than owner of a lonely heart...
Needed a fat rickenbacker kickin it...
Good Pop Rock, decent prog rock.
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Posted: March 02 2009 at 22:17 |
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I am the ditz who likes anything even slightly proggy , I undeliberately forgot to purchase 90125, I heard it way too often, it still beats the pants off the pop drivel that permeated radio/MTV back in the days , so you have to judge based on context: it was released at the "Nadir" of prog, when we were all swimming in the driest of deserts. At least, it kept us shielded from the real crap. I mean Magazine, Ultravox , U2 and Simple Minds were decent too and certainly way more entertaining than 90% of the music back then. Yes, in retrospect, they seemed to have raised the flag and surrendered to the Big Wedge but who got screwed in the end? The big record companies ! and prog not only lives on , it thrives in its inherent modesty (which is hilarious when you realize it was branded once as "pretentious" !) he who laughs last, laughs best !
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I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth.
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jammun
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Posted: March 02 2009 at 22:20 |
Finnforest wrote:
Certainly the chops are still there, but too little of the magic.
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Well yes that's what it comes down to. I'd guess most of these guys decided to try to make some money. The old stuff, the stuff that mattered, wasn't exactly working in those early MTV years. Hence Owner of a Lonely Heart, In the Air Tonight, and Heat of the Moment. For that matter, hence Gimme All Your Loving and Sharp Dressed Man, all synthed up, from what had been a pretty concerned-with-their-roots blues band.
On the other hand, think for a moment how great a 20-minute video or Tarkus or Close to the Edge might have been, had it been given some of the production resources of the better videos of the day.
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manofmystery
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Posted: March 02 2009 at 22:59 |
Yes didn't measure up to other 80s One Hit Wonder acts: Men At Work, Men Without Hats, Nena, Buggles, Dexy's Midnight Runners, Big Country, Corey Hart, A-ha, Falco, Taco, and of course Gary Numan
I hear tale there was a band by the same name that were 70s icons, wonder if there is any relation?
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Atavachron
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Posted: March 03 2009 at 02:22 |
manofmystery wrote:
Yes didn't measure up to other 80s One Hit Wonder acts: Men At Work, Men Without Hats, Nena, Buggles, Dexy's Midnight Runners, Big Country |
Really? I mean, really? Dexy's Midnight Runners ? Goodnight everyone !
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micky
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Posted: March 03 2009 at 07:08 |
Atavachron wrote:
manofmystery wrote:
Yes didn't measure up to other 80s One Hit Wonder acts: Men At Work, Men Without Hats, Nena, Buggles, Dexy's Midnight Runners, Big Country |
Really? I mean, really? Dexy's Midnight Runners ?
Goodnight everyone !
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let me be the first to say it... I have now seen it all.... wow.... 
Edited by micky - March 03 2009 at 07:08
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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manofmystery
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Posted: March 03 2009 at 10:44 |
Come On Eileen > Owner of a Lonely Heart
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Posted: March 05 2009 at 20:17 |
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I don't mind 90125 that much, but I won't be inclined to play it any time soon, I think.
Now Big Generator, I did find that to be an absolutely dreadful record, and I don't think Talk was much better.
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I'm not a huge fan of Big Generator either; however, I appreciate Talk more and more. Very nice album, with "Endless Dream" being it's masterpiece. This song could've been on an album with Howe and/or Wakeman and people would've been more receptive to it. I think it's the most classic Yes sounding tune they ever did with Rabin. Excellent song. E
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Jozef
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Posted: March 06 2009 at 00:10 |
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I've never heard 90125. Actually I've only heard two songs. "Owner of a Lonely Heart" and "It Can Happen" and I actually enjoyed both of them.
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Posted: March 06 2009 at 11:06 |
manofmystery wrote:
Come On Eileen > Owner of a Lonely Heart
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Funny, if you ask me I'll stay with Come on Eileen any day over Owner, because at least it's original and they never pretended to be anything more than they were.
Yes still believed they were a prog band but were doing anything except POP IMO.
Iván
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Posted: March 06 2009 at 11:14 |
E-Dub wrote:
NaturalScience wrote:
I don't mind 90125 that much, but I won't be inclined to play it any time soon, I think.
Now Big Generator, I did find that to be an absolutely dreadful record, and I don't think Talk was much better.
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I'm not a huge fan of Big Generator either; however, I appreciate Talk more and more. Very nice album, with "Endless Dream" being it's masterpiece. This song could've been on an album with Howe and/or Wakeman and people would've been more receptive to it.
I think it's the most classic Yes sounding tune they ever did with Rabin. Excellent song.
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I love Endless Dream. Considering it was their first 15+ minute song in over 15 years, I'm surprised it didn't get a lot more love from Yes fans, even if it was Rabin instead of Howe. Great song. I like the rest of Talk too, although E.D. is its masterpiece. Real Love and The Calling are also great, as is Walls. 90125 is a favorite of mine from the 80's. Not a prog masterpiece, but a great album and the vocal harmonies acheived by Anderson, Rabin and Squire are among Yes' best. Big Generator, I'm not a huge fan of but there are a couple of good tunes.
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I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
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Why does everyone hate 90125?
