Jethro Tulls warchild
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Topic: Jethro Tulls warchild
Posted By: The Wizard
Subject: Jethro Tulls warchild
Date Posted: September 21 2005 at 20:50
For some reason this album is so underrated. When I first heard it I was quite impressed. When I finally saw the reviews though, I was suprised so many people disliked the album. It unarguably has two of tulls best tracks (Skating away and Bungle in the Jungle), but is full of other great tracks. I also think the album is better with the bonus tracks. I do agree It fails at having a concept, but other than that why does everyone hate this awesome record?
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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: September 21 2005 at 21:26
That album is actually pretty weak IMO. 3 stars. It's still a good album but overall I think it could've been better.
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Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: September 22 2005 at 00:50
I hugely love War Child and I've rated it with 5 stars!
With the new remastered edition nobody could say it's not an excellent one!
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Posted By: kyrandia
Date Posted: September 22 2005 at 02:09
Top 10 for JT, for me
1.A passion play
2.Aqualung
3.Songs from the wood
4.Thick as a brick
5.Heavy horses
6.War child
7.Minstrel in the galery
8.Stand up
9.Stormwatch
10.Benefit
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Posted By: Paco Fox
Date Posted: September 22 2005 at 03:15
Mmm... the think is that there are many songs in this album that fail to please many people. For example, I like 'Bungle in the Jungle', and it's a fairly well known song, but I've read many people who dislike it. I've never found anyone who really liked much (and that doesn't mean necessarilly disliked) 'Backdoor Angles' and 'Ladies' or even 'The Third Hoorah'. And many people seem to prefer 'Lick your fingers clean' more than the version here 'Two Fingers'.
So I thing that the problem is that, while all the songs are ok and there are certenlly great tracks (Sealion, Skating Away...), this album can't be up there with the top Tull record, nor at the bottom of any fan's list. Which is what I usually see and hear when talking about it.
By the way, I agree that there are some very good bonus tracks from this session, specially 'Rainbow Blues' and 'Quartet'. I feel that here, like in 'The Broadsword and The Beast' the selection for the actual LP was not the best.
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Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: September 22 2005 at 05:30
Paco Fox wrote:
Mmm... the think is that there are many songs in this album that fail to please many people. For example, I like 'Bungle in the Jungle', and it's a fairly well known song, but I've read many people who dislike it. I've never found anyone who really liked much (and that doesn't mean necessarilly disliked) 'Backdoor Angles' and 'Ladies' or even 'The Third Hoorah'. And many people seem to prefer 'Lick your fingers clean' more than the version here 'Two Fingers'.
So I thing that the problem is that, while all the songs are ok and there are certenlly great tracks (Sealion, Skating Away...), this album can't be up there with the top Tull record, nor at the bottom of any fan's list. Which is what I usually see and hear when talking about it.
By the way, I agree that there are some very good bonus tracks from this session, specially 'Rainbow Blues' and 'Quartet'. I feel that here, like in 'The Broadsword and The Beast' the selection for the actual LP was not the best.
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I prefer Two Fingers than its embryonic state Lick Your Fingers Clean!
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Posted By: M. B. Zapelini
Date Posted: September 22 2005 at 06:33
"Warchild" does not appeal to me. In fact, it is the only weak album at the row which goes from "This Was" to "Stormwatch", and I do not like Anderson's soprano sax playing. I do agree with Paco Fox: some of the bonus track are actually better than the original album.
------------- "He's a man of the past and one of the present"
PETER HAMMILL
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Posted By: The Minstrel
Date Posted: September 22 2005 at 07:15
I think it's a pretty weak album. The only songs I really like on it are Bungle in the Jungle and Skating Away.
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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: September 22 2005 at 07:23
I think it's one of their best albums and I really don't understand why so many prog afficionados seem to bash it. The instrumentation is more varied than on the other albums, with the unique use of accordion in JT's career and the music is still both complex and melodic.
------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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Posted By: Gluonio
Date Posted: September 22 2005 at 07:38
I really love this album!!But then again i love almost everything they did!
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Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: September 22 2005 at 07:43
War Child is a bit like Benefit - a solid album with a couple of outstanding songs, but rather overshadowed by other Tull albums from the same era. Much as I like it, I couldn't go above 3.5 stars even for the remastered edition.
------------- 'Like so many of you
I've got my doubts about how much to contribute
to the already rich among us...'
Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom
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Posted By: rockandrail
Date Posted: September 22 2005 at 08:12
How strange tastes (musical and others) can change in a lifetime!
I discovered Jethro Tull back in 1969 with the "Stand-up" album, at a time "progressive" was far to have the meaning we usually give it today. JT was more of a British Blues band with some "not yet called progressive" elements in both the composition and the choice of instruments.
While I went into pure prog by the end of 1970 with KC's Lizard and VDGG H to He (Yes, I had skipped ITCOTCK! Nobody's perfect , and at that time, Yes had only released their first ,which I did not know about, and "Time and a Word" which I do not like), I kept listening to more straightforward rock including all next JT releases until Thick as a Brick and, of course, I noticed the evolution towards prog rock, away from blues.
I must confess that the first time I was played Thick as a Brick in my favourite record shop, I did not immediately identified it as being Jethro Tull! But I immediately enjoyed it and purchased the record eventually. Logically, I next purchased "A Passion Play" the day it was released without even pre-listening to it (A new JT could only be good, could'n it?)
Believe it or not, I was terribly disappointed. That was not the group I liked anymore. Instead, some bizarre dissonant structureless long piece, quite boring. That was 1973. I was then addicted to Genesis, KC, Yes, Earth and Fire, to name a few. From JT, I expected something different, more rock oriented. Consequently I did welcome "War Child" as a kind of return to the roots.
Today there is no doubt for me: I was wrong in the past! "A Passion Play" is a masterpiece that reveals its gems over a long passion-playing time while "War Child" is a very weak album.
How strange tastes (musical and other) can change in a lifetime!
PS: IMHO the weakest Tull album is not War Child. It is "Too old to..."
------------- Pierre R, the man who lost his signature
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Posted By: lmollea
Date Posted: September 22 2005 at 08:16
I also don't understand why it's so underrated.
Yes, it hasn't got songs like "heavy horses", "my god", "pibroch" or "black sunday", but all songs are good and no song is crap.
Probably this album has a sort of "commercial" smell around it that could disturb some purists; short songs and choruses probably "offend" some sensibility.
For me it's 4 sars.
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cosmonauti al tavolino cun la sigareta in bùca / che vemm a cambià el mund apena finissum la sambuca
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Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: September 22 2005 at 09:59
Odd how everyone here mentions "skating away" and the mediocre "bungle
in the jungle" as their favourites from this album! I think the reason
it's underrated, or at least not talked of much is because it doesn't
really gel as an album. It's very much "a collection of songs", some of
which work and som do not. My favourites would undoubtedly be "Backdoor
Angels" (so now you've found someone Paco!), "Sealion" and (if bonus
tracks are allowed) "Paradise Steakhouse".
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Posted By: Bob Greece
Date Posted: September 22 2005 at 10:08
I don't like it either. Bungle in the Jungle is a poor pop song and Skating Away is far too lightweight for a band like Tull. The rest is unremarkable and I've managed to forget about it. I've never heard them play anything from this album in the live shows.
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Posted By: BiGi
Date Posted: September 22 2005 at 10:59
I find it somewhat strange, but I like it (I think it's much more consistent than Minstrel, for instance).
In particular SeaLion is a standout track, but also King and Country, Back Door Angels and The Third Hooray stand among my favourites!
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Posted By: soundspectrum
Date Posted: September 22 2005 at 11:14
BAck door angels is good, as well as skating away, and bungle, but it is a terrible album to follow a passion play with
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Posted By: XTChuck
Date Posted: September 22 2005 at 11:55
After 4 or 5 excellent albums in a row, it was a step down. Not a bad record by any means but it could have been better. I think "Queen and Country" & "Back Door Angels" along with "Bungle" & "Skating" are classic Tull.

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Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: September 22 2005 at 12:01

Ian Anderson is the Prog in person!
I love War Child!
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Posted By: tedfromtoe
Date Posted: September 22 2005 at 14:40
Been a fan since I first heard TAAB in 1972. Thought it couldn't be eclipsed, but PP did it for me. Those two are Tull's finest albums - PP being my all-time personal favorite album, period. Loved it then, love it now. Warchild was the follow-up to PP. I was dissapointed at first, (perhaps I was expecting the impossible) but I soon loved Warchild as my 3rd fave Tull after PP & TAAB. Then Minstrel became probaby my 4th fave. The 5th slot is harder to peg - they have so many wonderful albums, but aside from the classics Aqualung & Benefit, I love Broadsward (expanded) and another much maligned one - Under Wraps. Roots to Branches was quite wonderful and most of "A" is great, and of course Songs from the Wood, and ... oh well I digress....
Anyway, my top 4 Tull albums has not changed over the years. I feel that PP, TAAB, WC & MITG all have that sort of personal, poignant beauty (as does Benefit, and much of Stand Up & Aqualung) but also combined with elements that we all recognize as "prog", so therefore they are my personal favorite Tull albums.
My fave tracks on Warchild - The title track itself is the best for me - simply lovely melodies in both verse and chorus - (well arranged for orchestra on David Palmer's Classic Case album of Tull orchestrations) and weird transitions and off-kilter ensemble arrangements. Love it. Other fave tracks include Back-Door Angels, Sealion, Skating Away, and Third Hoorah. Though I was overjoyed to hear Bungle played on the radio at the time (yes, it was a HIT song in 1974-75!), it is actually my least favorite, and a rather embarrassingly silly song. However, it makes more sense when re-associated with the songs on their abandoned post-TAAB/pre-PP album (from whence it came - later released on "Nightcap") which had additional songs featuring lyrics with animal metaphors.
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Posted By: tedfromtoe
Date Posted: September 22 2005 at 17:04
PS - another point to make, my top 4 (PP, TAAB, WC, MITG) each feature the exact same personnel lineup as they were recorded sequentially. If you include the "lost" album in the middle, this makes the most prolific (5 albums) lineup with no personnel changes. That was Tull in their prime.
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Posted By: Biggles
Date Posted: September 22 2005 at 18:18
To be honest, the first time I heard it, I thought it was terrible. It actually took me far less time to get APP than War Child, funnily enough. Now it has definitely grown on me, but I agree with what Paco Fox said, that's it's neither at the bottom nor at the top of my list. I don't really see what the big deal with "Skating Away" is. It's a good song, sure, but it isn't one of the best things Tull has ever done by a long stretch, and the intro is just plain stupid. But then again, I'm one of those rare cases that thinks that "Wish You Were Here" is not only not Pink Floyd's best song, but it isn't even the best song on that album (the two "Crazy Diamonds" both being far more beautiful and inspiring imo).
I too would give "War Child" no more than a 3.5.
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Posted By: NetsNJFan
Date Posted: September 22 2005 at 19:30
I like it!
I love Ladies, (the hand claps!), Only Solitaire, Sealion
I'd give it about 3-3.5
its oinly bad when you consider JT also did APP, TAAB, Heavy Horses etc.
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Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: October 05 2006 at 12:43
Two reviews on War Child, today:
http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_CD.asp?cd_id=2021 - JETHRO TULL — War Child Review by http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=9347 - Shakespeare (Josh)
I think the magical, atmospheric, poetic and creative qualities that made other Tull work's essential are missing here. But don't get me wrong, this is still a great album! There are some catchy and fun tunes, but nothing will move you enough to put it anywhere near your favourites list. There's nothing memorable about this album.
Posted Thursday, October 05, 2006, 12:35 EST | http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=93471 - Permanent link
http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_CD.asp?cd_id=2021"> Prog Folk (Studio Album, 1974) Avg: 3.61/5 from 50 ratings
http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_CD.asp?cd_id=2021 - JETHRO TULL — War Child Review by anovick
This is a very polarizing album by Jethro Tull. It's completely different from anything else they've done, and it often doesn't work. The best of it is merely good, and the worst of it can be just plain bad in places.
Pros: Engaging music, good lyrics, good theme, ambitious
Cons: not able to stand up to earlier releases, too many weak tracks
Highlights: Warchild, Queen and Country, Skating Away On the Thin Ice of the New Day, Bungle in the Jungle
Weak Tracks: ladies, sealion, only solitaire, back-door angels
I recommend this album for its high points, but prepare to be disappointed if you're looking for another Aqualung or Thick as a Brick. None of the best tracks here can stand up to the best tracks/portions of those two giants. This album produces several good songs, but no great ones. Steer clear until you know Tull well.
Posted Thursday, October 05, 2006, 11:55 EST | http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=93456 - Permanent link
I always liked War Child. Sealion is so powerful and also Back Door Angel is so surprising.... always thought this album is underrated...
There are some Tull's wonderful classics here as for example Bungle in the Jungle and Skating Away... et cetera...
War Child is the Passion Play prosecution without its magniloquent structure and with a more pop mood... still great and fabulous album, btw!!!
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Posted By: fuxi
Date Posted: October 05 2006 at 13:12
WARCHILD is one of my favourite Tull albums; I love every track except 'Bungle...', and thanks to the bonus tracks, it is now one helluva CD!
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Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: October 05 2006 at 13:13
Rather strange thing with this album. In the beginning, when I heard it, I thought it's rather weak. There are some good ideas, some great musicianship, but all this isn't elaborated enough. Then I heard the remastered version -- once again, the same feelings, plus the wondering why such songs like "Paradise Steakhouse" and "Quartet" were left out of the original album. But then I heard the first disc from the double The Nightcap -- namely, Chateau D'Isaster (lovely pun...), and got completely different perspective. When taken as a separate album, Warchild may be judged as rather weak. But when taken as a part of a kind of a trilogy: A Passion Play -- Chateau D'Isaster -- Warchild, it is quite alright.
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Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: October 05 2006 at 14:24
Warchild is a great album in my opinion. It isn't Thick as a Brick, but it's still very good.
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Posted By: The Whistler
Date Posted: October 06 2006 at 02:11
Yeah, I don't really like that album at all...
No, I appear to be in the majority here. An average (3/5), balanced album. It drags here and there (ahem Back Door Agnels), but is balanced out by a few good tunes (Sealion and the immortal Bungle). And I THINK I know Tull.
This was actually the first true (i.e., not a complilation) Tull album I heard, so a lot of my Tuller experience is based on this album.
Best song: Skating Away (as if you couldn't tell; very personal to me)
Worst song: Warchild (goes on and on; only bright spot is the brief sax solo)
Best song you never think of: Only Solitare (I love to quote that at random)
------------- "There seem to be quite a large percentage of young American boys out there tonight. A long way from home, eh? Well so are we... Gotta stick together." -I. Anderson
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 06 2006 at 02:19
Am I crazy or is 'Solitare' Anderson's subtle response to music critics?
Warchild is a great album. Tull's best? Maybe not, but it rocks, baby...Sealion!
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Posted By: The Whistler
Date Posted: October 06 2006 at 02:22
Atavachron wrote:
Am I crazy or is 'Solitare' Anderson's subtle response to music critics? |
Well, I wouldn't call them subtle exactly...
(although, who's Steve?)
------------- "There seem to be quite a large percentage of young American boys out there tonight. A long way from home, eh? Well so are we... Gotta stick together." -I. Anderson
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 06 2006 at 02:25
Yeah, I picture 'Steve' being some misled idiot who was bashing Ian and the boys in the British press
And does the guitar riff in Sealion sound like the 'Charge' trumpet phrase or, again, am I losing my mind?
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Posted By: The Whistler
Date Posted: October 06 2006 at 02:27
Um...that really depends on what Charge is. I don't think I've heard (of) it...why does this feel like a trap?
------------- "There seem to be quite a large percentage of young American boys out there tonight. A long way from home, eh? Well so are we... Gotta stick together." -I. Anderson
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 06 2006 at 02:30
It's no trap, believe me. I guess if you're not American you might not know it, but it was a trumpet riff used by the cavalry to signal a charge of men and horses. Barre's riff sounds alot like it and sometimes musicians get their inspiration from strange places.
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Posted By: The Whistler
Date Posted: October 06 2006 at 02:38
I'm not an American; I'm an Angelino!
Oh! OH! The bugle charge thingy! Yeah, I know that. Sure. In old westerns all the time. I guess I can see how you could say that.
Man, now I'm really craving that album...
------------- "There seem to be quite a large percentage of young American boys out there tonight. A long way from home, eh? Well so are we... Gotta stick together." -I. Anderson
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 06 2006 at 02:43
Yeah, the bugle thingy, exactly. I'm probably the only one on Earth who thinks that, but that's O.K. You're in L.A.? I was in Hollywood while I went to music school-- lived on Orchid across from the Holiday Inn.
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Posted By: The Whistler
Date Posted: October 06 2006 at 02:47
Yeah, never heard of it! (More of a West LA kinda guy)
------------- "There seem to be quite a large percentage of young American boys out there tonight. A long way from home, eh? Well so are we... Gotta stick together." -I. Anderson
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Posted By: The Whistler
Date Posted: October 06 2006 at 02:57
Wait, I hear it! When he does the "bum-bum-bum-budda-bum" riff! Yeah!
That probably only makes sense if you're listening to the song right now.
------------- "There seem to be quite a large percentage of young American boys out there tonight. A long way from home, eh? Well so are we... Gotta stick together." -I. Anderson
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 06 2006 at 03:09
That's it! I didn't want to try to write bum-bum-bum-buddabum, but you got it.
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Posted By: The Whistler
Date Posted: October 06 2006 at 03:16
Well, I've never quite been able to read music (I always check for the TAB in the back of the book), but I sure can sling a good "bum-bum-bum."
------------- "There seem to be quite a large percentage of young American boys out there tonight. A long way from home, eh? Well so are we... Gotta stick together." -I. Anderson
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 06 2006 at 03:19
All you need for music is a good ear and a passion for it.
BTW-- If you like Warchild I assume you also appreciate Benefit and Minstrel, as they're both rockin, too.
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Posted By: Witchwoodhermit
Date Posted: October 06 2006 at 03:20
I've raved at how much I despise" Passion Play" before, so I won't repeat.
That being said, I find Warchild to be the final lurch into the downward spiral for Jethro Tull. "Songs" and "Horses" aside, Tull never recovered from the heady days of "Brick". It was a different era, Tull was weak, the inspiration was gone. This was Warchild. Hit and miss is the kindest comment to paste on this old player, and further releases.
In ever decreasing circles can Jethro's career be plotted from this very point.
------------- Here I'm shadowed by a dragon fig tree's fan
ringed by ants and musing over man.
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 06 2006 at 03:22
Mmmaaaybee, Witchie, but in hindsight all Tull up to about 1980 was great. And 'Passion Play' KICKS, baby, KICKS!
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Posted By: The Whistler
Date Posted: October 06 2006 at 03:27
Atavachron wrote:
All you need for music is a good ear and a passion for it.
BTW-- If you like Warchild I assume you also appreciate Benefit and Minstrel, as they're both rockin, too. |
Each of those albums contains one of my personal favorite Tull songs...With You There to Help Me and Minstrel, arguably the finest Tull song ever. At least, the hardest rockin, and that's more than enough to win me over.
------------- "There seem to be quite a large percentage of young American boys out there tonight. A long way from home, eh? Well so are we... Gotta stick together." -I. Anderson
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Posted By: The Whistler
Date Posted: October 06 2006 at 03:28
Witchwoodhermit wrote:
I've raved at how much I despise" Passion Play" before, so I won't repeat.
That being said, I find Warchild to be the final lurch into the downward spiral for Jethro Tull. "Songs" and "Horses" aside, Tull never recovered from the heady days of "Brick". It was a different era, Tull was weak, the inspiration was gone. This was Warchild. Hit and miss is the kindest comment to paste on this old player, and further releases.
In ever decreasing circles can Jethro's career be plotted from this very point. |
I take it you didn't like Minstrel?
------------- "There seem to be quite a large percentage of young American boys out there tonight. A long way from home, eh? Well so are we... Gotta stick together." -I. Anderson
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Posted By: Witchwoodhermit
Date Posted: October 06 2006 at 03:38
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=10022&FID=51 - The Whistler Minstral was GOOD. not brilliant. Empty spaces and filler are the largest bites I took from MITG. Especially side two.
------------- Here I'm shadowed by a dragon fig tree's fan
ringed by ants and musing over man.
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 06 2006 at 03:43
Side two *is* a little touch-and-go but the first side is top-notch heavy prog. And let's not forget 'Living in the Past'.
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Posted By: Witchwoodhermit
Date Posted: October 06 2006 at 03:50
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=10439&FID=51 - Atavachron
Living in the Past is a compo. Pre Brick. We speak post. Keep up bro. :)
------------- Here I'm shadowed by a dragon fig tree's fan
ringed by ants and musing over man.
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 06 2006 at 03:55
"Pre-Brick" or not I don't see it mentioned much, and don't try to bait me, 'bro'.
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Posted By: R o V e R
Date Posted: October 06 2006 at 03:57
i dont like the album cover design
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 06 2006 at 04:00
R o V e R-- if you mean for 'Warchild', I've never liked it either. I actually prefer the photo of the boys in costume...would've made a better cover me thinks. If you speak of LitP, I like the faux-leathered look.
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Posted By: R o V e R
Date Posted: October 06 2006 at 04:01
i mean Warchild
i dont like the design
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Posted By: Witchwoodhermit
Date Posted: October 06 2006 at 04:28
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=10439&FID=51 - Atavachron
No bait. Wrong thought.
------------- Here I'm shadowed by a dragon fig tree's fan
ringed by ants and musing over man.
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Posted By: Pnoom!
Date Posted: October 06 2006 at 13:56
Top Tull Albums:
1)Thick as a Brick
2)Minstrel in the Gallery
3)A Passion Play
4)Aqualung
After this, they start to digress. These albums are all good, but not great, and I don't know how to place them:
The Broadsword and the Beast
Heavy Horses
Warchild
Songs from the Wood
Stand Up
Benefit
Too Old to Rock 'N' Roll, Too Young to Die
Stormwatch
Crest of a Knave
J-Tull Dot Com
And these ones were just bad:
A
Under Wraps
The rest I don't know too well. Warchild is not likely to make my top ten, if I had to do it (after I explored the albums in the middle a bit more).
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 06 2006 at 15:25
'Heavy Horses' is terrific. So is 'Songs', 'Benefit' and 'Warchild'. If you don't like any of those four records you may not be a true Tull fan, or haven't matured enough to appreciate them.
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Posted By: Hacketeer
Date Posted: October 06 2006 at 17:22
I'm not a huge Tull fan, but Warchild is my favourite JT album
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Posted By: The Whistler
Date Posted: October 07 2006 at 02:39
Hey! A rocked! Er, as long as you quit listening after Black Sunday, and mostly just skipped over to the DVD of Slipstream.
------------- "There seem to be quite a large percentage of young American boys out there tonight. A long way from home, eh? Well so are we... Gotta stick together." -I. Anderson
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 07 2006 at 02:47
Whistler-- Y'know, I saw Tull for the 'Under Wraps' tour (1983?) and though, at that time, I knew next to nothing about them, I remember the show being very good though the new material may have been lacking. Tull seems to be a band that is comfortable just playing-- old stuff, new stuff, it was just a good show because of their chemistry and long history. Have you seen the band yet? Their stage show has gotten quite understated and relaxed- very nice, and they usually draw an older, more relaxed crowd.
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Posted By: The Whistler
Date Posted: October 08 2006 at 03:05
Sorta...I was part of the Ian Anderson plays some Orchestral Jethro Tull tour. It was pretty sweet (personal moment: when Ian was playing Eurology, and hobbled up on one leg for the first time in the performance, I started clapping my hands off, and I started a clap!)
Anyway, just had to brag 'bout that. It seems to me, based on that experience (the whole show, not just the clap), and the various live performances I have uncovered, you cannot see a bad Tull concert. You can see an average one--but even if Martin Barre's guitar caught on fire, or the interchangeable keyboardist forgot the opening to Locomotive Breath, Ian would make some witty stage banter out of it.
------------- "There seem to be quite a large percentage of young American boys out there tonight. A long way from home, eh? Well so are we... Gotta stick together." -I. Anderson
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Posted By: The Whistler
Date Posted: October 08 2006 at 03:06
Witchwoodhermit wrote:
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=10022&FID=51 - The Whistler Minstral was GOOD. not brilliant. Empty spaces and filler are the largest bites I took from MITG. Especially side two. |
Alright, fair cop. One White Duck drags on longer than need be, and the time spent making an eighteen minute suite would have been better invested in a couple of serious songs, but you can't deny Grace!
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Posted By: smithers
Date Posted: October 30 2006 at 21:25
The original album of 10 songs would only get a 7/10. A bit disappointing. The album has too many songs that sound over cheerful and some of the lyrics are a bit embarrasing. But this album was made as a soundtrack to a movie which didn't eventuate. So you have to ask if these 10 songs were typical Tull songs or were they songs written by the band for a movie. If there was no movie or soundtrack you wonder if the band would have ever written some of those songs, because they don't all sound like true Tull songs. The reason I don't think of them as Tull songs is because the 7 bonus tracks do sound like true Tull songs of much better quality. They just sound like typical heavy medievil prog and acoustic songs a bit like the Aqualung songs. These 1974 songs are the ones I think are true of the band and would have made a very good album
BONUS TRACKS:
Warchild waltz
Paradise steakhouse quartet
Sealion 2
Rainbow blues
saturation
Glory row March the mad scientist
BEST ORIGINAL ALBUM TRACKS:
queen and country
warchild
only solitaire
skating away
There is also a beter version of Bungle in the jungle. It is the
Bungle in the jungle-remix on the 25th box set
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Posted By: billbuckner
Date Posted: October 31 2006 at 09:32
The Whistler wrote:
Witchwoodhermit wrote:
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=10022&FID=51 - The Whistler Minstral was GOOD. not brilliant. Empty spaces and filler are the largest bites I took from MITG. Especially side two. |
Alright, fair cop. One White Duck drags on longer than need be, and the time spent making an eighteen minute suite would have been better invested in a couple of serious songs, but you can't deny Grace! |
One White Duck/0^10's my favorite song on that album other than Minstrel. 
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Posted By: smithers
Date Posted: November 01 2006 at 20:56
who else agrees that the 7 bonus tracks are the makings of a real tull album from 1974 and most of the original 10 songs were just written for a movie and were not true songs of the band
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Posted By: fuxi
Date Posted: November 02 2006 at 15:20
Ladies (and gents) of leisure,
Stop your grumbling!
- 'Ladies' is a fine tune, with marvellously overblown orchestration.
- 'Backdoor Angels' is glorious. It contains my favourite Martin Barre guitar solo, which sounds even better on the remastered CD (wonderful drumming by Barriemore Barlow).
- Where on earth do you get the IDEA that 'Skating away' is too light? (It's one of the Tull's finest moments!) You'll be complaining about 'Mother Goose' or 'Life's a long song' next!
- Nearly all the other songs on WARCHILD are fine; only 'Bungle' is unbearable.
Soundtrack or not, I definitely prefer this album to the fake country airs of SONGS FROM THE WOOD or HEAVY HORSES.
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Posted By: The Whistler
Date Posted: November 03 2006 at 02:23
fuxi wrote:
- Nearly all the other songs on WARCHILD are fine; only 'Bungle' is unbearable. |
Wow. That is, like, the exact opposite of popular opinion. I respect that.
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