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    Posted: February 28 2005 at 17:44
From the time I lived in the LA CA area (1978-1989), some local proggers came to mind:

Marut: Symph prog to the hilt, featured 2 drummers, a lead singer with a Gittler Guitar, anda keyboardist who looked like Gandalf (one Wally Stoltze, funny guy too and great musician). The bassist also played very briefly with Amon Duul III (yes number 3, which was quite short lived).

Rebus: Very theatrical flute weilding lead singer and very much in the symph vein, very agressive sound. I'll never forget the bassist wearing a St Louis Cardinals uniform onstage. The keyboardist was pretty hot too (he also played some bassoon I hear).

The Fents: LA based prog-fusion outfit I saw live a few times (early 80's). Featured Adam Holzman on keyboards (son of Jac Holzman of Elektra Records fame), had organ/string ensemble/mini-moog/Yamaha Electric Grand piano type rig. Adam went on to play with Miles Davis, Chaka Khan and others as well as forming Mona Lisa Overdrive. Guitarist Tad Hall was amazing(whatever happened to him?),combined the best parts of Allan Holdsworth and Robben Ford with ZERO w**kery! The bass/drums thing had a revolving door though. Very tight playing, songs had hilarious titles and very memorable and twisted melody lines. Adam sometimes provided visual interest with things like a picture of Ho Chi Mihn taped upside down to his piano.

In the 80's, I played guitar in 2 lineups of a band called Insect Affect that got pretty prog, yet NOBODY dared call it that back then (after all, in the 80's prog was not cool and we NEVER would've got gigs using "The P-Word" back then). Some people said we sounded like a mix of Zappa, 80's Crimson and funk with some punk mixed in too.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 28 2005 at 17:21

New Age from Texas (Imagine Prog in Texas...)

Earthrise from New Jersey

Ethos from Indiana

Galaxy from Florida

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 28 2005 at 06:11
Originally posted by threefates threefates wrote:

Gypsy - from Minneapolis

 

I have a double LP set by American Gypsy released 1971 on Epic or Columbia Records - for the most part soft rock, but the long opus Dead & Gone(?) goes through very distinct prog changes. The same band, TF?

Todd Rungren/Utopia?

Touch (after recording one of the  seminal prog albums in  68/9, funded by Jimi Hendrix) did not survive into the early 70's. And what happened to The United States Of America?

Happy The Man, as Stan Whittaker would admit is late 70'.

The UK music weekly Melody maker, published a centre page spread on essential US rock and prog bands around 75/6. Amonst the Mahogany Rush type bands, Kansas and Meatloaf were included - the Todd Rundgren production (and guitarwork)  and Steinman's mock operatic rock of Bat Out Of Hell, has a strong measure of prog.

And don't forget Spirit's 12 Dreams Of Dr Sardonicus (1971 release?) - almost prog but without being able to cut the ties of psychedelia - remember Spirit split in Randy California's various 70's and 80's projects and Jay Ferguson's Jo Jo Gunne.

But hadn't Vanilla Fudge split by the 70's e.g. into the short-lived Beck Boggert Appice, and even providing Rod Stewart with a rhythm section for 10 years......................?

 

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 26 2005 at 19:29
Starcastle is from the US? I always just assumed they came from the same place as Yes.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 26 2005 at 18:32
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YEZDA URFA!!   Great stuff, indeed!


You can ńisten to their repertoire in this link http://www.soundclick.com/bands/4/yezdaurfamusic.htm


Imagine a mixture of Yes and GG, plus some occasional fusion stuff and acoustic folk, and that's a pretty fair description. Now... listen!!


 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 26 2005 at 18:17

 

I once read tha Kerry Livgren cited TOUCH as a major influence for KANSAS while the ywere coming up with theor own sound. This DPRP link  http://www.dprp.net/forgotten/touch/index.html  discusses the history and only album by TOUCH.

I hope you find it interesting.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 26 2005 at 18:09

 

Hi, again.

I've read about FLIGHT, LIFT, THE LOAD, MIRTHRANDIR & QUILL, but I haven't heard anything of them yet.

No one mentioned STARCASTLE so far?



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 26 2005 at 18:09

Other american prog bands of the seventies :

Happy The Man

Fireballet

Netherworld

Pentwater

Electromagnets (jazz-fusion, with Eric Johnson)



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 26 2005 at 18:00

 

YEZDA URFA!!   Great stuff, indeed!

You can ńisten to their repertoire in this link http://www.soundclick.com/bands/4/yezdaurfamusic.htm

Imagine a mixture of Yes and GG, plus some occasional fusion stuff and acoustic folk, and that's a pretty fair description. Now... listen!!


 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 26 2005 at 17:56

Originally posted by Garion81 Garion81 wrote:

Thank you that is very helpful. Anymore People? Keep them comming.   




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 26 2005 at 17:50
Thank you that is very helpful. Anymore People? Keep them comming.   


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 26 2005 at 14:46
Originally posted by Garion81 Garion81 wrote:

Originally posted by threefates threefates wrote:

A couple more:

  • Hands
  • Harlequin Mass




Where these bands signed? Do you know where they came from? and about what time frame?

Sorry for all the questions.

Hands had out one album in the late 70s then didn't come back till the 90s.  I believe they are listed on this site. There was another band called Catherdral that did one album in 78 then came back again later... also Pavlov's Dog... French TV had their first album out in the middle 80s, and then didn't come back till the 90s. 

Harlequin Mass isn't listed on this site for some reason and also took a break in the late 80s.. but here's a bio for them.

http://www.silentera.com/family/carl/music/harlequinMass/

For another Canadian band that continued thru the 80s, there's Saga.

Fates Warning started in the early 80s.. Dream Theater in the late 80s... Montrose had a couple of albums in the early 80s, some consider them prog metal... a US band named "However", sort of fusion, had a few albums out in the early 80s.  Pat Metheny and Jean-Luc Ponty continued thru the 80s,  



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 26 2005 at 14:03
Originally posted by James Lee James Lee wrote:

It's starting to sound like a conspiracy theory.


It just doesn't add up...obviously prog was hugely popular here; record sales in the US prove that. There wasn't any shortage of talented/ experimental musicians, either. So where were all the prog bands?



Ah James methinks you get to the heart of the matter.

The idea was they were here in great numbers. The fact was the record companies did not sign any more prog or experimental music after 1972. Kansas being signed was almost a fluke and Ambrosia had a lot of radio hits to make them attractive.
There seems to be this attitude that America never caught on to the prog side of things in these books publications and even in the attitude of many people now. I don't think it is correct and for all those people who did try and were snubbed I am going to try and offer an alternative view if I can.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 26 2005 at 13:56
Originally posted by threefates threefates wrote:

A couple more:



  • Hands

  • Harlequin Mass

 




Where these bands signed? Do you know where they came from? and about what time frame?

Sorry for all the questions.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 26 2005 at 01:15

A couple more:

  • Hands
  • Harlequin Mass

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 26 2005 at 00:05

It's starting to sound like a conspiracy theory.

It just doesn't add up...obviously prog was hugely popular here; record sales in the US prove that. There wasn't any shortage of talented/ experimental musicians, either. So where were all the prog bands?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 26 2005 at 00:00
Kind of a simplistic answer, and they're not from the US (Toronto is close to the border though), but I'd say RUSH has to fit some way into the question that you're asking. There really isn't much to differentiate Canadian and US Prog in the 70's I'd presume (except for maybe the French-Cdn offerings, but I digress)

RUSH (like Kansas) were obviously influenced by the 'English Prog Wave' that washed across North American shores in the first half of the 70's. Their first 'real prog' offering '2112' was only released in 1976...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 25 2005 at 23:37
Originally posted by threefates threefates wrote:

 Alot from Calif... - Frank Zappa - Captain Beefheart - Djam Karet - Ambrosia who had a hit I think with "Holding on to Yesterday" and one other I think, they were also produced by Alan Parsons


Kansas/Dixie Dregs


Utopia - Vanilla Fudge - Savatage :  NY


Queensr˙che - Seattle


Happy the Man - somewhere around Indiana? I think


Babylon from Florida had one album, but it wasn't bad...


Gypsy - from Minneapolis


Captain Beyond - started by 2 guys from Iron Butterfly


 


 


 


 


 



Thank you 3 Fates.
Well for sure FZ and Beefhart but they became before the 1970 link. Ambrosia yes, and Kansas I had already mentioned. I am more after the groups coming out in the 70's during and after Yes, ELP, Genesis, Pink Floyd hit here. The years that is stated by prog historians that there was no prog music coming from the US. It is like the punk bands came from everywhere and they all got signed but not the prog bands that were before and during this period of time. The 4 I mentioned from my home town were good enough to get signed but never were.
When I read about prog rock in books it seems that no one wanted to play this music in the US just buy albums and attend concerts which is a stupid notion. I am trying to gather evidence to refute that.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 25 2005 at 22:57

 Alot from Calif... - Frank Zappa - Captain Beefheart - Djam Karet - Ambrosia who had a hit I think with "Holding on to Yesterday" and one other I think, they were also produced by Alan Parsons

Kansas/Dixie Dregs

Utopia - Vanilla Fudge - Savatage :  NY

Queensr˙che - Seattle

Happy the Man - somewhere around Indiana? I think

Babylon from Florida had one album, but it wasn't bad...

Gypsy - from Minneapolis

Captain Beyond - started by 2 guys from Iron Butterfly

 

 

 

 

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 25 2005 at 22:09
Originally posted by James Lee James Lee wrote:

I can't help too much, I grew up after the first wave. But I do know that New York State had a big flood of progressive metal in the 80s, upstate and on Long Island. Maybe a decade earlier there was a similar situation before I was conscious of 'the scene'.


I'd be very interested to hear about the US regional progressive scene during the 70s; I agree that there was probably a lot more going on than we really know about.



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I do have samples of what was happening here in SO Cal in the mid 70's if you are interested.   You have to understand American Prog sprung up after 1970 while British was developing pre 1970. But that does not make it irrelevant. My theory is the record companies by not signing American Prog bands were the ones that effectively killed the genre. I mean really, America would have been the natural follow up to the Euro prog in the second half of the seventies. I will bump this thread for a while and maybe get a lurker or two to maybe PM me on this. I am like you I think there is a lot more to it than what actually came out of it.




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