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    Posted: January 07 2009 at 17:57
I'm a big fan of the use of the saxophone in bands like Van der Graaf Generator, Pink Floyd and Birds & Buildings... the powerful, raw sound of them is just so cool to me! Are there any other bands that avoid the "smooth" sax sound and go for the power sound?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 07 2009 at 18:11
Loads.

Here's a few off the top of my head...

Catapilla - jazzy, psychy prog with plenty of sax and some inimitable female vocals.
Jethro Tull - specifically, A Passion Play. That album featured Ian Anderson swapping flute for sax quite a bit, with pretty good results.
Cardiacs - Not really prog, but highly inventive and full of punchy sax riffs on their earlier albums. Try Songs for Ships and Irons.

And if you fancy some really extreme sax, try a post-punk band called Blurt. I discovered them recently and they astonished me. Very pared-down sound with jangly, repetetive guitar and pulsing drums, with wailing, angry sax over the top. Delightful, exciting stuff.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 07 2009 at 18:16
I don't know what your definition of "smooth" and "power" sax sounds are cause I wouldn't say Pink Floyd avoid the smooth sax sound but I think I get the point.

Try out Gnidrolog for some sax and flute which is similar to the raw VdGG sound.

I wouldn't know how to describe his sound but listen to anything featuring Didier Malherbe (most notably Gong). He is just one plain awesome player. He's also incredible at flute.

Elton Dean may be my favorite sax player in prog. Try out Third by Soft Machine, Soft Mountain, Soft Heaps, etc. His style is unique and he never ceases to amaze me. His soloing is some of the best I've ever heard (even including jazz).

These are my favorites in prog coming from a sax player perspective.

Since Ron Asheton died today, I'll also pay tribute to The Stooges by saying that they had some of the most "unsmooth" sax parts ever. Haha. Listen to Feel Alright.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 07 2009 at 18:19
Originally posted by Bern Bern wrote:


Gnidrolog


YES!! I couldn't for the life of me remember their name but I really really wanted to mention Gnidrolog. Lady Lake is an album every self-respecting prog fan ought to at the very least try, but for grunty, powerful sax... look no further!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 07 2009 at 18:24
Colosseum
Traffic
East of Eden
Osanna

These are just a few that spring to my mind now... I am sure there are many more that I forgot.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 07 2009 at 18:29
Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

Colosseum
Traffic
East of Eden
Osanna

These are just a few that spring to my mind now... I am sure there are many more that I forgot.


How could I forget that?

The sax in Palepoli is so powerful and raw. Great riffs too and awesome playing! Clap

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 07 2009 at 19:16
Try Yochk'o Seffer.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 07 2009 at 19:36
I second A Passion Play by Jethro Tull; that has some wonderful sax. Soft Machine's Third is also a must.

Try Legend by Henry Cow. There is also scarce sax playing on The Mars Volta's The Bedlam in Goliath, but I don't think that's what you're looking for.

Others of particular note:
Weasels Ripped My Flesh by Frank Zappa
Trout Mask Replica by Captain Beefheart  (notably the song "Hair Pie: Bake 1")
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 07 2009 at 19:36
AUDIENCE is raw but a highly skilled and interesting combo. Virtually no keyboards and Howard Werth is on acoustic classical guitar, but don't be fooled, they have a ' big ' sound. Recommended are ' Friend's, Friend's Friend ' and ' House on the Hill' . Keith Gemmell's sax playing is monstrous with a real edge . His flute and clarinet playing are also great - he's a wizard of the woodwinds .

The rhythm section of Trevor Williams on Fender bass and Tony Connor on drums [ yes, still of ' Hot Chocolate' fame, or should I say infamy ] is also excellent . The rhythm section is often more exposed and obvious because of some of the more acoustic qualities of the band . An excellent and original quartet and a little underrated imo.

I enjoy FFF because of the longer soloing on tunes like ' Raid ' and ' Priestess ' which should be high on any sax enthusiasts agenda imo. Gemmel uses some effects on his sax to help establish the mood of these longer songs.

Howard Werth , who incidentally was auditioned to replace the late Jim Morrison in the Doors and was under close consideration, also has a real edge to his voice and in some songs scats a harmony line with the sax which adds to the bands distinctive sound and character.

[ P.S. the only stream sample here is a song from 'H on the H' which features Gemmell's flute which still aint bad.]
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 07 2009 at 23:57
The saxophone offers more than just power, and even VdGG sax is NOT all about power; there is plenty of smooth sax in VdGG too.
That being said: Of course Gong have to be mentioned; just listen to the sax-solo here, for example:
http://www.last.fm/music/Gong/_/Master+Builder
By the way, the fantastic drumming on that track is what made me pick up the sticks myself some 25 years ago.
Then how about Guru Guru? They don't always have sax, but Roland Schaeffer has been in the line-up every now and again and is currently a member of the band again. Listen to this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8OfO_PsNDs
Being a drummer I have to notice: Great drumming again! Schaeffer is an excellent lead guitarist too, by the way, and sometimes he uses nagaswaram (also called nadaswaram; take your pickWink) , an Indian wind instrument he studied for some time.
I could name dozens of other artists, but think that with Guru Guru and Gong you will have a lot to explore already, since their catalogues are huge, owing to a 40 year existence of both bands. Wink









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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 08 2009 at 00:31
King Crimson - In the Court & Wake Of Poseidon
Its easy to find most Zappa albums have sax
 
not prog but prog related and a very underrated sax player:
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 08 2009 at 05:13
Suspyre are a good band to check out, its the excellent use of sax that elevates them above the normal level of prog metal bands.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 08 2009 at 06:54
Originally posted by Trouserpress Trouserpress wrote:

Originally posted by Bern Bern wrote:


Gnidrolog


YES!! I couldn't for the life of me remember their name but I really really wanted to mention Gnidrolog. Lady Lake is an album every self-respecting prog fan ought to at the very least try, but for grunty, powerful sax... look no further!


Their debut In Spite of Harry's Toe Nail is the one that I keep coming back to. Can't remember if its got as much sax, though.

There's plenty among the french Avant/RIO bands. Nothing smooth about Vortex, Art Zoyd, Lard Free, Hellebore.... but it might not be the type of music you're looking for?

 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 08 2009 at 10:06

Nik Tuner's Hawkwind is a perfect example of "space sax"





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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 08 2009 at 10:22
An interesting new duo is RoRo, a project of Roland Schaeffer of Guru Guru and Roman Bunka of Embryo (it is an easy guess where the band name came from Smile). Their musical paths had crossed quite often, and both ared very interested in the music of other cultures. Bunka is one of the leading European oud players (and an excellent guitarist too), Schaeffer plays a lt of wind instruments and is an excellent guitar player too. They haven't made an album yet, but they are touring at the moment, and on the homepage of Roland Schaeffer you can hear a short excerpt of their music:
http://www.roland-schaeffer.de/roland_schaeffer_duo.htm


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 08 2009 at 10:59
Area's Arbeit Macht Frei has some wonderfully crazy sax in it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 08 2009 at 11:57
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 08 2009 at 12:02
Originally posted by TGM: Orb TGM: Orb wrote:

Area's Arbeit Macht Frei has some wonderfully crazy sax in it.


Just as I read this, "240 Chilometri di Smirne" came on.  Perfect timing.  Tongue
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I would reccommend THE MUFFINS, one of the few sax driven prog bands that I know well
ZAO is also very interesting, but the music is jazzier, not typically prog
In a different style, you could try John Zorn  or ¨Last Exit, more free jazz oriented sometimes
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