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Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

RADIOHEAD — Hail to the thief
Review by EMinkovitch (Eliott Minkovitch)
I was curious, so I gave it a spin. I got exactly what I expected - this stuff is totally devoid of any creativity, imagination or songwriting talent. Absolute zero in emotional content as well - it's all flat, boring, grey and whiny. Sounds like soundtrack music to a coma. That pretty much sums up this album, as it does hundreds of other "alternative" rubbish all over the radio these days.

http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=33970
 
 
Ermm Actually, I thought that one fell (just) within the bounds of an acceptable review. It describes the music in a vivid (if highly scathing) manner, and Minkovitch's  rating is justified by his saying that the album completely lacks "creativity, imagination, songwriting talent and emotional content."
 
Negative reviews can be useful, and are normally among the most concise -- or even humourous. (I have written one or two similar reviews in my time -- see Renaissance "Camera Camera.") I think that even a fan of "alternative" music (and/or Radiohead) can get a feel of what this disk sounds like, from this review.
 
 
It's a tough call, but I wouldn't have cut this one. What are his other reviews like? 


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Not so much censored Angelo, I just don't like giving such reviews ongoing publicity once they have been dealt with.Wink
 
Starve them of oxygen and they'll hopefully go away!
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Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Originally posted by Angelo Angelo wrote:

http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=93566
 
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It shouldn't even be in the forums,that constitutes illegal activity.
    


Figured that, I even got censored by Bob when quoting the review...Wink
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Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

This one wins the prize for the worst spelling ever (e.g. "Masterpiece! that is a word you culd yuse to describe this 70's classis"

http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=89876

Also an almost total lack of punctuation makes it even harder to read.

 
Priceless!!! A challenging reading though... Kind of semi-phonetical style...
 
Seriously, though, why not to check a review before posting? Some misspellings might be avoided...
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This one wins the prize for the worst spelling ever (e.g. "Masterpiece! that is a word you culd yuse to describe this 70's classis"

http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=89876

Also an almost total lack of punctuation makes it even harder to read.
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As you'll see from the wording, it says 75 words recommended.
 
There has been no change to the parameters for checking review length (which is actually 200 characters), and no current proposal to do so.
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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

75 words! OMG...I'm like in a difficult situation. CryWink
 
Actually I disagree with this change or increase of minimal count of words. This time 75 and next year 100.Thumbs DownOuch
 
I dio not think it is fair to ask me to go back on all my reviews that have 50 or 55 words, add more text just in order to reach a new amount just so that the reviews stays visible.
 
Only an idea, buddies... don't need to maul me! Cry
 
BTW, in the case, the 75 or 100 words rule is adopted it shall not invalidate reviews done by the old rule. It will be valid for reviews done from the eventual date of adoption.Smile
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Yes, we should better be demanding about quality, not quantity.
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Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

75 words! OMG...I'm like in a difficult situation. CryWink
 
Actually I disagree with this change or increase of minimal count of words. This time 75 and next year 100.Thumbs DownOuch
 
I dio not think it is fair to ask me to go back on all my reviews that have 50 or 55 words, add more text just in order to reach a new amount just so that the reviews stays visible.
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75 words! OMG...I'm like in a difficult situation. CryWink
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Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

I knew I'd seen it somewhere.
 
Just above the submit review text box it says:
THE MARS VOLTA De-loused in the Comatorium review (your text here, 75+ words suggested)
 
 
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I knew I'd seen it somewhere.
 
Just above the submit review text box it says:
THE MARS VOLTA De-loused in the Comatorium review (your text here, 75+ words suggested)
 
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Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

I think the submit a review page suggests 75 words now.
 
Still showing 50 words minimum, Bob. However, 75 words minimum could be a good step.Smile
 
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Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Originally posted by Atkingani Atkingani wrote:

Next step should be perhaps consider valid a review with 100 words minimum instead of the present 50 words. Below 100 words reviews should not appear in the homepage and be counted as a single rating. Just an idea! Lamp
 
That sounds like a good idea Guigo.Clap

Hang on here! This kind of decision belongs to M@X as far as I know and the man does not want to delete ratings without reviews for reasons that everyone should be able to express his/her opinions regardless of the English possibilities. And extending the reviews to 100 words will make it even tougher, than!!
 
 
Note that my reviews should hover betwenn the 200 and 400 words, so I do not feel threatened by this.


Edited by Sean Trane - September 13 2006 at 11:10
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It does suggest so, it doesn't warn or enforce it when you submit.
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I think the submit a review page suggests 75 words now.
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Originally posted by Australian Australian wrote:

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I agree, but I also think people don't really pay attention to how the system works. It is devised to rate according to a prog collection. That is how I rate. There are albums that I absolutely love, but don't think they are must haves for everyone. We should encourage people to use it as intended.
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I think people forget that 3 stars means good, and therefore feel inclined to give every album with any good moments four or five stars.
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Originally posted by Australian Australian wrote:

At least when someone writes a review, even a short one they justify their rating.



That's true, but most reviews below 100 words contain any information besides "this is a great album" or "this album stinks" - in a slightly more elaborate way.

I could agree with a 100 word minimum, and maybe M@X can add a simple check at the review entry form that warns reviewers if post a review with less than 100 words. That warning might even persuade some of the people that vote stars without reviewing to add some explanatory text.

For me, and I guess for lots of others, the real motivator to buy an album or to leave it alone, is not the number of stars it gets, but rather the motivation behind it.
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