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ExittheLemming 
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 Posted: March 11 2010 at 14:53 |
 akamaisondufromage wrote:
ExittheLemming wrote:
shockedjazz wrote:
Floyds inventors of psychedelia and space rock? No way man.
When did the Floys do space rock? Why they are in same section of Ozrics? Hawkwind?!
Space rock is not about wild spacy psychedelic rock. Im missing somthing? |
Just ears really. I'm not a massive Floyd fan but any artist who is capable of inventing what are now deemed clichés that have been copied and mutated forever hence is a true litmus test of originality. The signature sounds of psychedelic music were freshly minted by Floyd (and others) on Piper at the Gates of Dawn and Saucerful of Secrets. Ozric Tentacles appear to have formed circa 1985 so must have been active as a ground breaking psyche band with no recorded output since 1967 ?
Pink Floyd minus talent = Hawkwind. 
Space Rock = Interstellar Overdrive (BTW the worst track on Piper IMO)
Some of the best lyrics of any genre of music are contained on Dark Side of the Moon, but yes, by that stage the music was pretty much plain vanilla rock. (but why is good rock music deemed less worthy than very bad Progressive Rock ?)
It appears the lunatic is not just confined to the grass...
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Hawkwind, no talent, yeah right! You too seem to lack ears of any functional variety!  |
Pardon ? 
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akamaisondufromage
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Posted: March 11 2010 at 14:02 |
ExittheLemming wrote:
shockedjazz wrote:
Floyds inventors of psychedelia and space rock? No way man.
When did the Floys do space rock? Why they are in same section of Ozrics? Hawkwind?!
Space rock is not about wild spacy psychedelic rock. Im missing somthing? |
Just ears really. I'm not a massive Floyd fan but any artist who is capable of inventing what are now deemed clichés that have been copied and mutated forever hence is a true litmus test of originality. The signature sounds of psychedelic music were freshly minted by Floyd (and others) on Piper at the Gates of Dawn and Saucerful of Secrets. Ozric Tentacles appear to have formed circa 1985 so must have been active as a ground breaking psyche band with no recorded output since 1967 ?
Pink Floyd minus talent = Hawkwind.
Space Rock = Interstellar Overdrive (BTW the worst track on Piper IMO)
Some of the best lyrics of any genre of music are contained on Dark Side of the Moon, but yes, by that stage the music was pretty much plain vanilla rock. (but why is good rock music deemed less worthy than very bad Progressive Rock ?)
It appears the lunatic is not just confined to the grass...
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Hawkwind, no talent, yeah right! You too seem to lack ears of any functional variety!
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elder08
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Posted: March 11 2010 at 13:56 |
rushfan4 wrote:
I believe that Pink Floyd are here in Progressive rock, because with their earlier albums they were pioneers in psychedelic and space rock, which are branches of progressive rock. The later on concept albums probably also contributed, since in the area of rock, concept albums tend to land under the progressive label, although this doesn't mean that it is an all inclusive progressive rock characteristic. Tracks like Atom Heart Mother clocking in at 24 minutes, A Saucerful of Secrets at 12 minutes, Echoes at 23 minutes, etc... |
Don't forget dogs its 17 minutes
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: March 11 2010 at 13:45 |
shockedjazz wrote:
Floyds inventors of psychedelia and space rock? No way man.
When did the Floys do space rock? Why they are in same section of Ozrics? Hawkwind?!
Space rock is not about wild spacy psychedelic rock. Im missing somthing? |
Just ears really. I'm not a massive Floyd fan but any artist who is capable of inventing what are now deemed clichés that have been copied and mutated forever hence is a true litmus test of originality. The signature sounds of psychedelic music were freshly minted by Floyd (and others) on Piper at the Gates of Dawn and Saucerful of Secrets. Ozric Tentacles appear to have formed circa 1985 so must have been active as a ground breaking psyche band with no recorded output since 1967 ? Pink Floyd minus talent = Hawkwind. Space Rock = Interstellar Overdrive (BTW the worst track on Piper IMO) Some of the best lyrics of any genre of music are contained on Dark Side of the Moon, but yes, by that stage the music was pretty much plain vanilla rock. (but why is good rock music deemed less worthy than very bad Progressive Rock ?) It appears the lunatic is not just confined to the grass...
Edited by ExittheLemming - March 11 2010 at 13:49
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shockedjazz
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Posted: March 11 2010 at 11:53 |
Floyds inventors of psychedelia and space rock? No way man.
When did the Floys do space rock? Why they are in same section of Ozrics? Hawkwind?!
Space rock is not about wild spacy psychedelic rock. Im missing somthing?
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shockedjazz
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Posted: March 11 2010 at 11:45 |
"Nothing is formulaic" , oh man it seems you been absolutely cheated. 
Evrything since Atom Heart Mother is purely formulaic, i think they even have the mathematical equation for building these tiny gloomy musical houses ad nauseam.
Wish you were here is bad and The Dark Side of the Moon is a cliche craft all over the disc.
Is no surprising is hit radio friendly.
About philosophical deepness dont make me laugh. Does any of the members make a new school system or they just take them to expensive english private schools as every other wealthy englishman does?
Another brick in the wall? Yeah especialy if you are in the builders team.
And what about sacking barret and then talking about madness from the comfortably numb view in their quiet sofas?
Yes so deep, they are really an institution od deepness.The cunning deepnes of the hipocrites.
The Monkees are more deep than the Floyds.
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DavetheSlave
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Posted: March 10 2010 at 05:28 |
Maybe one of the answers is a simple one - back in the early 70's a number of bands broke away from the pop music mould and created music that we had never heard before. Black Sabbath, Uriah Heep, ELP, Pink Floyd, Grand Funk Railroad, LZepp, Yes, Genesis etc etc. That was a magic time to be a music lover. The fact that then the music was ground breaking makes it prog as per then standards. Listening to DSOTM or WYWH was a very different experience then than it could possibly be now.
There is no reason why a "prog standard setting" band then should not be considered as prog today - those bands were the cornerstone of much that we hold as brilliant today. Without those cornerstones I don't know what we would be listening to today as prog music lovers.
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Posted: March 10 2010 at 02:16 |
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I don't understand anyone who says that Wish You Were Here is not Progressive Rock |
Do you ever ask them how they came to that conclusion?
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Posted: March 07 2010 at 05:29 |
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I don't understand anyone who says that Wish You Were Here is not Progressive Rock
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Posted: March 07 2010 at 00:17 |
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The term progressive rock stems from the post-Woodstock explosion of new bands that now included musicians who wanted to stretch beyond the simple pop psychedelia that permeated the nascent rock scene. The conservatory trained instrumentalists wanted to enter the rock medium and cash in on the huge following that they may incur (money, fame, groupies etc...) . The Wakemans , Emersons and company vaulted the 3 minute songs into epic compositions , full of inventive explorations fueled by the immense technological advances (namely synthesizers) of the time. In that sense , Floyd was progressive in relation to pre 1970 rock bands and kept the formula going into the future. Obviously the term progressive is not really valid anymore , as every possible style has been recorded already.
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himtroy
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Posted: March 06 2010 at 23:04 |
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I always thought of them as more of a psychedelic rock band. Obviously Barrett era is heavily psychedelic, after that it was a psych band continuously going towards more standard rock (with some exceptions). And obviously there were some progressive tendencies since psych and prog rock have many crossover traits.
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Posted: March 06 2010 at 22:37 |
I would say some or even a lot of their music is not prog rock, but they are PROGRESSIVE rock..in keeping with the current fashion on PA.  Yes, they may have a lot of straight up rock songs and lot more of those than any other prog rock band (why is that a problem by the way) but to add to what Dean pointed out in the previous page, they arrived before Genesis, Yes, ELP, Gentle Giant and still had The Wall left in the tank in '79. I don't listen to prog rock because it's prog rock but because there is much inventive music in this genre and if you want an inventive band, you can't do much better than Pink Floyd.  I don't know whether this answers the question, so I should say that I don't particularly care if they are prog rock or not but they have enough songs that can safely be called prog - Astronomy Domine (cmon, it was '67), Saucerful of Secrets, Set controls to the heart of the sun, Atom Heart Mother Suite, Echoes, Dogs, Sheep... and more - to settle the issue anyway.
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Posted: March 06 2010 at 16:06 |
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Nick Masons drumming as a bit of a problem to me. Not that he is bad, but he lacks a bit of the jazzy drumming I would like in a prog band. The Jam section on 'Money' is a good example, it kinda falls flat and sounds heavy handed. That track needs Robert Wyatt, :)
Edited by Rottenhat - March 06 2010 at 16:10
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Posted: February 19 2010 at 16:05 |
How are they not prog?
They were as innovative and creative as it gets for their time. They helped create new genres of PROG such as the aforementioned space and psychedelic rock. And their albums and individual tracks range from heavily synth based, soft, melancholic, riffs ect.
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Posted: February 15 2010 at 08:36 |
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Early Pink Floyd is progressive to me. The newer stuff (which I also like) uses standard rock structure like
1. Intro
2. Verse
3. Chorus
4. Verse
5. Chorus
6. Guitar solo
7. Verse
8. Chorus
9. Ending
A good amount of Yes and Asia are similar. Progressive Rock/Metal to me is when the song constantly evolves without being bound to a generic structure, like shown above. Early Floyd strays from this more.
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Camel666
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Posted: February 15 2010 at 08:02 |
Man Overboard wrote:
If Waters' compositions aren't progressive rock at its most elegant and subtle (cue Waters' scream), then we've just lost our heads about the whole business really. |
When I read the title of this topic, this was the exact thought that came into my mind. As much as I enojy reading the arguments brought by everyone to this discussion, I think it all comes down to this: there is no discussion, really.
Edited by Camel666 - February 15 2010 at 08:03
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Posted: February 14 2010 at 23:22 |
Among many incredible albums penned primarily by Roger Waters, The Final Cut stands out as an incredibly underrated and well-executed record. I can hardly see how people even consider the post-Waters material to be "Pink Floyd", considering the number of outside songwriters, scrapped and scrapped again failures of 'songs', and meetings about how it doesn't sound like Pink Floyd that plagued their productions. Just a cash-in from those that rode Waters' coattails to stardom.
If Waters' compositions aren't progressive rock at its most elegant and subtle (cue Waters' scream), then we've just lost our heads about the whole business really.
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Posted: February 14 2010 at 22:48 |
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Quite frankly, I've been listening to progressive rock since the early 70s and have always considered Pink Floyd as progressive. I never really had any doubt about it. They just seemed to fit into that category all along for me, that's all. But, it's definately interesting to read everyone's opinions, and yes it has got me to thinking, but it my mind, they're still prog. I can't think of them any other way. I always considered them one of the prog pioneers and it really depends on which album you are listening to as far as which sub-genre they fit into.
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Posted: January 11 2010 at 13:40 |
To my ears, Pink Floyd is progressive rock. But their style comes from an evolution of psychedelic rock more grounded in the LSD fasion in the late 60's. The music itself is of course usually on slower tempo than most bands, but the construction of the melodies is inspired from folk, folk rock, modern expiremental classic, and strange tobbaco or... whatever it was. Pink Floyd is a music of atmospheres, strange feelings, in between ethered dream and altered reality. This expands the band's appreciation way beyond the progressive rock listeners and maybe why it is so considered.
Pink Floyd's style is absolutely unique, and that's why many are reluctant to class this band as a progressive rock band. You can hear a single note played by Dave Gilmour, and you know who's playing.
Wish you were here is very much atmosphere oriented and in my opinion one of the band's most achieved. But it's global concept, the long moody phrases of Shine on You Crazy Diamond and the lyric style places it as a typical Pink Floyd work, though almost all in a rather slow mood. should it be in the top 10? Not for me. But I can understand many people consider it so.
Frankly, it's a lot easier for me to claim that Pink Floyd is a progressive rock band than Saga or Asia, for example.
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Posted: December 24 2009 at 09:37 |
nordwind wrote:
Most definitely Pink Floyd are 100 % prog ! If you don't think Sabbath are prog listen to "Sabbath Bloody Sabbath" & some of the jazz fusion on "Never Say Die" courtesy of Bill Ward ! |
I love Sabbath, always have, but I will never consider them Prog. Innovators of a sound? Yes. Prog? No Prog Related? Probably.
For the record, once again, I make sure to listen to music before I make posts about it. So I have listened to Sabbath Bloody Sabbath and Never Say Die a lot, I just don't see them as prog. Prog Related, Probably.
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