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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2022 at 06:40
^ North Korea has the same colors as the republican party, coincidence? Hardly.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2022 at 06:28
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2022 at 05:51
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Yawn.

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Looks like trump better scold Hannity for not being a putin bootlick.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2022 at 05:46
Originally posted by tszirmay tszirmay wrote:

How about some community recognition for Poland? ClapClapClapClapClapClap
The people of Poland have had a difficult history with their neighbour Ukraine but their courage, valour and unconditional humanity is extremely praise worthy, with millions of fleeing refugees being fed, clothed and sheltered, as well as hugged and embraced with camaraderie and affection. 
That must be acknowledged. 
God bless the Polish people, they have suffered so much, yet they continue to give from their hearts.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2022 at 05:19
Originally posted by tszirmay tszirmay wrote:

How about some community recognition for Poland? ClapClapClapClapClapClap
The people of Poland have had a difficult history with their neighbour Ukraine but their courage, valour and unconditional humanity is extremely praise worthy, with millions of fleeing refugees being fed, clothed and sheltered, as well as hugged and embraced with camaraderie and affection. 
That must be acknowledged. 
As has been noted, many countries, that may or may not have been peas in a pod, have really gone above and beyond in welcoming the Ukrainian refugees into their countries, and into their own homes in several cases. They all deserve much love and respect. ClapHeart
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2022 at 05:14
How about some community recognition for Poland? ClapClapClapClapClapClap
The people of Poland have had a difficult history with their neighbour Ukraine but their courage, valour and unconditional humanity is extremely praise worthy, with millions of fleeing refugees being fed, clothed and sheltered, as well as hugged and embraced with camaraderie and affection. 
That must be acknowledged. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2022 at 05:11
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2022 at 05:06
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2022 at 05:00
Originally posted by NutterAlert NutterAlert wrote:

Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:


That's disturbing. America could run a false flag cyber attack and blame Russia.  Russia is winning. Why would they want America and NATO to join fight against them?  A Cyber attack against America makes ZERO sense.  

I remember America lying about Weapons of Mass Destruction to get us in Iraq war.  America lied about The Gulf of Tonkin Incident to get USA in Viet Nam.  The media and Joe Biden said Hunter Biden's laptop was a Russian Plot. Turns out the laptop is authentic and contains evidence of Ukraine corruption. 

Russia is winning.  A Cyber, Chemical, or Biological attack is the last thing they would do.  Ukraine has a motive. Get America and NATO in the war.   Victoria Newland (under secretary of state) admitted Bio Labs in Ukraine.  American Defense Department financed over 20 Ukraine Bio-Labs.  That's illegal under International Law.    

 Biden needs War to cover up the horrid Job he's doing. Boost the mid-term elections.  If Biden cared about people he would have kept the Democrat campaign promises. $15 minimum wage, Medicare for All, Student Loan Forgiveness, ect... They don't even talk about those things anymore. They only talk about Medicare For All during Presidential election years.  

The media is preparing people's minds for a false flag that they will blame on Russia.  And Americans will believe it,  like they believed George W. Bush about Iraq Weapons of Mass Destruction. 

A cyber attack disabling this persons access to the FOX news channel might be helpful.

I do not watch any main stream media.  I haven't watched News since 2000. I despise FOX.
That said, you peeked my curiosity. I searched You-tube for a FOX news video on Ukraine.  
Check it out.  Hannity and FOX News agrees the majority of people on this thread.  

 

I am anti-war.  I saddens me deeply to know that America is responsible for millions of war related deaths since 1990. I've never posted a pro-war post on Prog Archives. I've analyzed multiple wars. Been against every single one.  I want Ukraine and Russia to negotiate a Peace Plan. 

  When myself or anyone points out America/Euro war hypocrisy.  It upsets people for some reason. They say, "Now is not the time or thread to speak of such things."  They minimize the West's war machine. Or, "America's reasons for killing are good...Russia's are bad."   If you are anti-war, then call and email your Senator and House representative.  Ask them to stop war activities and spend the money on Health care, Poor folks, and Roads.  America still has soldiers occupying a 1/3 of Syria. That's half way around the world.  American bombs are currently blowing Yemen people to smithereens.  (poorest country of the Middle East).  

Because of non-stop media propaganda, 35% of Americans would be willing to brave a nuclear war to save Ukraine.  Do the 35% of Americans know Russia has 6400 nuclear weapons?  Do they have any idea of what nuclear war means?  

https://occidentaldissent.com/2022/03/17/poll-watch-35-of-americans-favor-military-intervention-in-ukraine/

PS: In the video-  FOX news's Hannity accuses the Russians of bombing a theater filled with civilians.  It's been a week since the Theater was hit in Mariupol. I have not seen any film footage of people pulling living or deceased people out of the Theater.  Camera's everywhere, but no film footage. There are people in Mariupol who claim that the Azov Battlion blew up the theater to encourage America/NATO to join the war.  Would self-proclaimed NAZI's do such a thing?  Would a Nazi battalion (responsible for over 13,000 deaths in the Donbas) blow up a theater?  If you don't think so...Tell me why the Nazi's wouldn't. 




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2022 at 03:59
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

^ Biden started the war to get reelected? Close thread now please.

Of course he did--  what didn't happen was Putin & Trump agreeing before the '20 election that if Trump loses Putin should invade Ukraine thereby bolstering Trump's chances of winning in '24.

There are about three two conspiracy theories left in the world that aren't complete toxic bullocks.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2022 at 03:47
Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:


That's disturbing. America could run a false flag cyber attack and blame Russia.  Russia is winning. Why would they want America and NATO to join fight against them?  A Cyber attack against America makes ZERO sense.  

I remember America lying about Weapons of Mass Destruction to get us in Iraq war.  America lied about The Gulf of Tonkin Incident to get USA in Viet Nam.  The media and Joe Biden said Hunter Biden's laptop was a Russian Plot. Turns out the laptop is authentic and contains evidence of Ukraine corruption. 

Russia is winning.  A Cyber, Chemical, or Biological attack is the last thing they would do.  Ukraine has a motive. Get America and NATO in the war.   Victoria Newland (under secretary of state) admitted Bio Labs in Ukraine.  American Defense Department financed over 20 Ukraine Bio-Labs.  That's illegal under International Law.    

 Biden needs War to cover up the horrid Job he's doing. Boost the mid-term elections.  If Biden cared about people he would have kept the Democrat campaign promises. $15 minimum wage, Medicare for All, Student Loan Forgiveness, ect... They don't even talk about those things anymore. They only talk about Medicare For All during Presidential election years.  

The media is preparing people's minds for a false flag that they will blame on Russia.  And Americans will believe it,  like they believed George W. Bush about Iraq Weapons of Mass Destruction. 

A cyber attack disabling this persons access to the FOX news channel might be helpful.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2022 at 20:03
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

^ Biden started the war to get reelected? Close thread now please.

Of course he did--  what didn't happen was Putin & Trump agreeing before the '20 election that if Trump loses Putin should invade Ukraine thereby bolstering Trump's chances of winning in '24.

There are about three two conspiracy theories left in the world that aren't complete toxic bullocks.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2022 at 19:54
As clearly explained when asked what would one do if Russian tanks would stroll down the Corso, there seems to be little difference between Pacifist and Pacified. The language excuse will not work : Pacifisto vs Pacificato. 
If Russian tanks would be rolling into Old Montreal , I certainly know what I would do, as a human being: defend my family and my homeland til my last breath. 

I am also against war because I understand it so well but even more against being oppressed, raped, bombed , humiliated and murdered by some external gang of thugs who do not even know where they are and what they are killing for. I have children that need a father to protect them , even at the risk of dying. Its called COURAGE. 

Napoleon on the hate list for quotes? No? 
"He who fears being conquered is sure of defeat" 
"It requires more COURAGE to suffer than to die"

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2022 at 19:32
Kind of ironic that someone who is here doing putin's dirty work is a member of Amnesty International. Maybe that person is trying to bring the organization down from the inside.

This is what real members of Amnesty International have to say about putin's invasion:



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2022 at 19:24
Putin, MAGA repubs and white nationalists - peas in a rotten pod.





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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2022 at 19:20
Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

WAR AND DEMOCRACY

Truth (information) is always the first victim of the war. Democracy is the second victim.

If I understand correctly, Zelensky

- closed three opposition TV channels and merged all channels to talk about the war 24h/24

-suspended 11 opposition parties, many small but also Platform for Life, the main opposition party, for being pro-Russian

I am looking for a comprehensive article in English on both the first and second points.


Has he poisoned opponents and dissidents with Novichok like Putin? Even those who are living outside the Ukraine, like Putin has? Has he imprisoned his main political opponent after poisoning him failed to shut him up, like Putin?  Has he shut down all outside news sources and the internet like Putin did? Has he immediately arrested over 13,000 people protesting the war, like Putin has? And what's ironic in a black comedy sense, Putin is not the one being invaded. LOL

As far as shutting down opposition parties that are pro-Russian, I am not sure that you've heard -- Ukraine has been invaded by Russia. I realize you believe the invasion to be false news, but most folks believe that it has actually happened. Crazy, right? In most countries, if you get invaded, then being a proponent of the army that's slaughtering your men, women and children is treasonous. Zelenskyy is showing remarkable restraint. Putin would have them all dead or imprisoned. 

Hell, Putin is so paranoid he has arrested his spy chiefs, fired generals (at least, the ones the Ukrainians haven't killed already), and he replaced his entire 1000 person staff (laundresses, secretaries and cooks gave him the "evil eye" -- they are witches!).

Really, this thread needs to be closed. Between you and Putinpalooza, I think this nonsense has more than run its course. 







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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2022 at 19:08
Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Putin invaded Ukraine with the intention of annexing it to Russia. The invasion of a sovereign state is always a crime, we must condemned it, regardless of the reasons. More devastating this invasion will be in terms of destruction and deaths, Greater will be the crimes to be blamed on Putin. And unfortunately Putin's crimes are growing day by day.<div style=": >
Then Putin needs to be put down like any rabid dog, to end the poor animal's paranoid and nightmarish existence, but more importantly to keep the neighborhood safe.<div style=": ">
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2) Any comparison with Hitler invading Poland, or with the USSR invading Czechoslovakia / Hungary etc. it does not make sense.

It is a more plausible argument to say Putin is Stalin, except with less hair (Stalin was a tiny man as well). Stalin thought nothing of starving 4 million Ukrainians to death, and Putin thinks nothing of bombing schools and hospitals in Ukraine. And yes, it makes perfect sense in historical context.

3) Any historical category of the past (fascist / Nazi / communist) applied to Russia or Ukraine makes no sense. However, Russia and Ukraine are two very nationalist States that have nothing to do with Lenin's communism.

Putin is KGB all the way, he misses the old USSR, which had nothing to do with communism but rather the continuation of an authoritarian state where only the elites profited. Except now there isn't the slightest pretense of communism or Soviet socialism, but a blatant and corrupt money grab by Putin and his toadies. 

4) Any reference to whether Russia or Ukraine is democratic or not makes no sense. 

Russia does not have free elections, and hasn't since Putin came to power. The 2019 Ukraine presidential election featured 39 candidates. And not one of them was poisoned with uranium -- a regular feature of Russian elections under Putin.  

5) Russia's reasons are to be found in the expansion of NATO to the East, which has endangered its security. The coup d'état carried out in Ukraine in an anti-Russian sense is also part of Putin's reasons. Last but not least, the fact that there are many Russians in Ukraine. These reasons do not justify the war or Putin's crimes, but serve to understand the root causes, which cannot be traced back to Putin's psychological analyzes.

Only a Russian shill would refer to it as a "coup d'état", The world and Ukrainians saw it as a popular revolution against a Russian puppet who abused power and who was, generally speaking, a corrupt douche-bag beholden only to Putin to remain in power. The people of Ukraine booted him out. The people. The majority. The majority (by a wide margin) also wants to be part of the EU, not a Russian puppet state.<span style="color: rgb51, 51, 51; font-family: "Myriad Pro", sans-serif; font-size: 18px;"> </span>

6) Putin's reasons correspond to the sins of the West, in particular of the USA, which are ALMOST as big as Putin's. I'm talking about political faults, not crimes. If Biden will continue to try to expand NATO at East or foment war, the US's faults will be greater.

Stop it. Putin's wants power for Putin. This is all about Putin, not the interests of the Russian people, who would be far better off with the little corporal in a grave. And your blatant hatred of the U.S. is beyond annoying.

7) There are economic and political reasons why the US want an Europe united with the Eastern States in NATO: this enlarged Europe will never be a political subject and will be disadvantaged economically by a break with Russia.

Ask just about any Eastern State that left the USSR and the Russian orbit if they are better off now in the European Union or under Moscow's repression and brutality. Most are thriving more now than at any time since before WWII. I'm sure the majority of Ukrainians certainly want nothing further to do with that murderous regime. 

You know where folks are the most miserable? In Russia. In every poll, Russians bemoan the lack of civil liberties, of free speech, of regular elections, of free opposition parties, of free religion, of fair judiciary, of free internet. Countries tied to Russia are the ones who are economically disadvantaged, backwards, uneducated, misogynistic and technologically-stunted, as are the Russians themselves.

8) The original sin of this war is therefore the enlargement of NATO to the East, or rather the enduring existence of NATO with the Cold War and the USSR over. NATO is a military alliance that plans to make wars. Putting American missiles in Ukraine, as would happen with Ukraine's entry into NATO, is as if Mexico allied itself with Russia, Syria and Iran and placed missiles aimed at the US cities: what would the US do? We know what they would do, they would not accept this possibility, which is reminiscent of the Cuban missile crisis. Ukraine, if Ukraine was governed wisely, it would have sought neutrality. Europe's ineptitude is 1) the unwillingness to get out of NATO or the American yoke 2) the unwillingness to get a political subject.

The only original sin is Putin doing away with free elections in Russia and growing into a post-KGB tyrant. Putin changed the Russian constitution so he can remain in power until 2036 (the next constitutional change, I am sure, will forbid death from visiting Vlad's bed).  If Putin were gone, this would not be an issue. 

Putin, not the Russian people, is to blame for this mess. Eliminate Putin, and Russia can become a responsible, mature European country, and regular Russians can share in the vast resources of the country, and not just Putin's oligarch cronies. The only yoke is the one Putin uses interchangeably with his horse and humans under his power. 

9) The Ukrainian people, but also the whole of Europe and Russia's s people will be the victims of this war. Americans will still benefit from it. The UN should by now be considered an obsolete organization, unable to maintain the conditions for which it was born.

The Russian people will suffer only as long as Putin is dictator. Ukraine will suffer only as long as Putin is dictator. Europe will only suffer as long as Putin is dictator. Eastern European countries bordering Russia will suffer only as long as Putin is dictator. Break Putin economically and his inner circle will become a noose. 

And bravo to the Ukraine people for killing the fifth Russian general in the past few weeks. Between the brain drain (more of a stampede, really) of intelligent Russians fleeing Putin's lunacy, the political drain as paranoid Putin eliminates hundred of apparatchiks and eunuchs from office for looking suspicious, and the drain on the military, who look more and more inept and less like a super power every day, Russia will implode. Putin has fulfilled his own prophesy.

10) If I were a politician of the European Parliamento or an American politician, I would ask for a meeting with Putin in the neutral zone in order to find an agreement on the basis of the exchange:
- immediate withdrawal from Ukraine
- pact not to enlarge NATO to the east (Ukraine, Finland, Sweden).
The fate of the Ukrainian areas with a Russian majority needs to be discussed.
Unfortunately, no Western politician is doing this, on the contrary, the European Union has accepted Ukraine's candidacy within the EU just as there is a war, and some European states are sending weapons to Ukraine. The US instead invited Sweden and Finland to attend a NATO meeting. In short, the West is doing everything wrong, it is blowing on the fire.

If you were a politician, you'd be a sycophantic Putin lackey, and would have a very short tenure in office -- unless of course you sold your country to the Russians for "peace in our time". Ukraine is a sovereign state and should be allowed to associate with whomever it wishes, otherwise it is Hungary or Czechoslovakia from a previous era (and, again, the historical context you choose to blithely ignore is right there). Sweden and Finland should be rightly worried about Putin's intentions because the man is an inveterate liar, a bully, a murderer and a sadist.  

Either you are gullible or suffer from battered-wife syndrome and keep returning to the brute who beat you. 
I like this post, brilliant.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2022 at 18:57
Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

By sequence I mean that the original Donbas conflict had already happened when you typed this, which would infer that you meant further trouble in Donbas.
On a side note, a few years back you also predicted trump would get re-elected.

Yes, I did predict Trump would get reelected. 
Yes, the Nazi, Azov battalion had already attacked Donbas. They killed over 13,000 Ukrainians. Putin warned Ukraine to make the Azov Battalion stop. Instead the Nazi's increased shelling in the weeks proceeding the Russian Invasion.  

Although, Ukraine has not joined NATO, Zelensky asked to join NATO on January 14, 2022 and again on February 14, 2022.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2022 at 18:48
^ If you would rather add to the suffering, then keep posting that crap that is sweet music to putin's puny little ears.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2022 at 18:47
If you want to help the victims of this attempted genocide, here are some resources:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/02/27/how-to-help-ukraine/
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