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Swinton MCR
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Posted: February 01 2005 at 09:10 |
I'm Glad to be of service - I got the CD for crimbo and played CD 2 (The epic title track) on boxing day, and I was VERY suprised - nobody had told me that DT would start a track with 6-7 minutes of Enid like symphonic rock (Even Lickerish style Guitar as well) - Then the track well it's magnificent (IMO) - And at 42 minutes a true epic....ENJOY !
P.s - the first CD is good - just more typical metal/prog - but with some nice bits in there to make it more proggy....
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Certif1ed
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Posted: February 01 2005 at 08:59 |
Swinton MCR wrote:
Come on certified - Have you heard "Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence" - How can an epic that starts like The Enid and then develops through Rush/Yes type passages not be deemed progressive ?? - even the sustain right at the end is sort of Floydsy....It's definately more progressive than anything Deep Purple did !!! |
Thanks - that's the kind of answer I'm looking for.
I stated above that I've only heard "Images and Words", because I've been told that it's one of DT's proggiest albums.
I will check out "Six Degrees..." as soon as I can get a copy - but it will probably take me a few weeks or even months before I attempt to review it, as I realise that any kind of prog music requires a deal of "living with".
Thanks for the recommendation - as a massive Enid fan I'm looking forward to it!
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Spartacus
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Posted: February 01 2005 at 08:56 |
Mategra wrote:
Dream Theater and prog metal in general is not my cup of tea (or liqueur as we say in Sweden). |
Don't worry you are not alone. We can get by without it. 
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Mategra
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Posted: February 01 2005 at 07:48 |
Dream Theater and prog metal in general is not my cup of tea (or liqueur as we say in Sweden).
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Swinton MCR
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Posted: February 01 2005 at 07:31 |
Way-hey DT more liked than not ! - Maybe my next few DT purchases will be disappointing - if not I'm in for a good year in 2005 1
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Kingkay
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Posted: February 01 2005 at 07:21 |
Certif1ed wrote:
So why Dream Theater and not Metallica, Diamond Head,
Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin, Budgie, Mercyful Fate, Kreator, Dark Angel
or a thousand other progressive (small "p") rock bands? |
actually i was wondering about led zeppelin and deep purple too
anyways, i just borrowed a couple of DT albums from my dad and i've listened to
"Images and Words" and "Awake", but it sounds pretty prog to me.
i also watched a live dvd and it was seriously amazing. It's simply frustrating to watch such talented musicians 
even though it's frustrating, i still voted yes. i guess frustrating can be cool at times
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Swinton MCR
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Posted: February 01 2005 at 05:58 |
Come on certified - Have you heard "Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence" - How can an epic that starts like The Enid and then develops through Rush/Yes type passages not be deemed progressive ?? - even the sustain right at the end is sort of Floydsy....It's definately more progressive than anything Deep Purple did !!!
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Posted: February 01 2005 at 04:20 |
gdub411 wrote:
Progressive rock is a sub genre to rock-n-roll. Elvis doesn't belong on it because he pure rock. Classical music and Jazz isn't rock. |
No kidding... 
So why Dream Theater and not Metallica, Diamond Head, Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin, Budgie, Mercyful Fate, Kreator, Dark Angel or a thousand other progressive (small "p") rock bands?
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chorus of one
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Posted: February 01 2005 at 04:14 |
I am? Who knew.
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gdub411
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Posted: February 01 2005 at 04:12 |
Progressive rock is a sub genre to rock-n-roll. Elvis doesn't belong on it because he pure rock. Classical music and Jazz isn't rock.
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Certif1ed
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Posted: February 01 2005 at 04:07 |
gdub411 wrote:
Certif1ed wrote:
If "Images and Words" is among DT's most progressive moments, then that confirms my belief that they really don't seem to be a prog band, as there is no discernable prog on that album.
It takes more than time changes, lengthy pieces and suites to be prog - or we'd have jazz and classical albums in the archives.
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Jazz is a form of music, classic is a form of music and prog rock is a form of rock and roll...
As opposed to music, you mean... 
Dream Theatre falls into the catagory of rock-n-roll while the above mentioned don't. That is why they are not in the archives.
Er... come again? Are you suggesting Bill Haley and Elvis should be in the archives?
Dream Theatre?....I don't know...I have only 1 lp....I need more material to make up my mind on them.
Me too - but supposedly "Images and Words" is a great example of prog metal. I bought the album and feel burned, as I don't hear the prog in it.
Progressive, yes. So were Deep Purple and Led Zeppelin.
Metal, yes. So are Metallica and Iron Maiden.
Prog, nope.
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...couldn't resist... 
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gdub411
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Posted: February 01 2005 at 03:58 |
Certif1ed wrote:
If "Images and Words" is among DT's most progressive moments, then that confirms my belief that they really don't seem to be a prog band, as there is no discernable prog on that album.
It takes more than time changes, lengthy pieces and suites to be prog - or we'd have jazz and classical albums in the archives.
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Jazz is a form of music, classic is a form of music and prog rock is a form of rock and roll...Dream Theatre falls into the catagory of rock-n-roll while the above mentioned don't. That is why they are not in the archives. Dream Theatre?....I don't know...I have only 1 lp....I need more material to make up my mind on them.
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Posted: February 01 2005 at 03:21 |
If "Images and Words" is among DT's most progressive moments, then that confirms my belief that they really don't seem to be a prog band, as there is no discernable prog on that album.
It takes more than time changes, lengthy pieces and suites to be prog - or we'd have jazz and classical albums in the archives.
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frenchie
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Posted: January 31 2005 at 15:55 |
most progressive moments,
images and words, scenes from a memory, six degrees of inner turbulence, awake and train of thought.
six degrees has a 42 minute long suite. all their albums have constant time changes, lengthy pieces and most have suites,
falling into infinity has a suite at the end as well as scenes from a memory being split into 2 acts. this is also a concept album which is the most prog album. train of thought is constant prog metal. awake has a suite called a mind beside itself that consists of erotomania, voices and the silent man.
if you still dont like any of that then check out their live dvds cos they r amazing live.
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FloydWright
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Posted: January 31 2005 at 12:40 |
Hey, I'm a woman and I liked Train of Thought!
Aaaaanyway...Valarius, how would you describe A Change of Seasons? What other albums of theirs does it compare best to, if any? I guess I'm kinda hesitant about purchasing DT albums I don't know something about in advance.
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Velvetclown
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Posted: January 31 2005 at 10:55 |
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tuxon
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Posted: January 31 2005 at 10:43 |
Common knowledge, people loath what they can't have.
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Reed Lover
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Posted: January 31 2005 at 10:22 |
chorus of one wrote:
I hate Train Of Thought.  |
You're a woman, you dont have a train of thought.

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Reed Lover
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Posted: January 31 2005 at 10:21 |
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Reed Lover
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Posted: January 31 2005 at 10:19 |
Swinton MCR wrote:
How do you know he's not 2M tall and weighing in at 120 Kg's ?? and can bench press the combined weight of a Swinton Pubs Darts team*
* - EU weight equivalent (1 Tonne!)
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Well I'm heading towards 120KGs rapidly Swinny!
Bolton lads are 'ard from birth lad, not like you manky Mancs 
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