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F the rules. FREE SPEECH!!!

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Sadly, as you can see here, there are some folks that don't believe in FREE SPEECH and would rather try to find some kind of this or that ... to make them feel that they can "control" the environment. 

I always thought that the best control was no control at all! But, even in America, FS is not exactly believed when the media sets out to enhance ... "you're fired" ... as a way to ruin people's lives and make sure that said person is not "competing". At that point, the rules of the "game" are no longer FS, but something that should be addressed sooner or later.
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^ Give me examples of where I have broken these rules, and I'll comment on them. As for the "imperative mood" ... if you are refering to the title of the thread, it is just a short title. I could rename it to "How in my humble opinion online discussions might work more smoothly", but I won't (and can't, there is a length limitation).
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I knew who started this thread before even checking the OP

Somehow miraculously THE WHOLE FORUM is wrong yet one guy and one guy only truly knows how to handle discussions

Dude please never stop with these threads! Always a good laugh after another long day here
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ Well, this thread is about how I think one should discuss. I'm not telling anyone what to do.

This is exactly what the imperative mood is normally used for.

Also, by rather recently having broken about half of these rules and having regularly accused others who had different points of view from yours of having broken some of these, you don't seem to be in the very best position to moderate a discussion on this topic (as valuable it might be).
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Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

These are my guidelines:

1. Put an asparagus in your ear and listen for moonquakes.
2. Eggs are allowed in the discussion. Do not put your knees or kidneys in other people's eggs.
3. Using vitamins is unfair, but you are allowed to argue from inside a hamper.
4. Spreadsheets are welcome, as well as combovers.
5. Farting is permitted, but please give at least 30 seconds advanced notice so that we can prepare for your wrath.
6. No throwing poop, unless you have gloves on.
7. When an impasse occurs, both parties must go into a field and moo for an hour at each other.
8. Rubber duckies are allowed in the bathtub. So are colanders.
9. Bring your own archipelago. 
10. You are only allowed to post a Gish gallop if you use the word "mayonnaise" in it at least 15 times.
11. Postage is due if you roll marbles through a puddle of butter.
12. You are permitted to share soup recipes only after the first posting of the words Uranus, swimsuit, or thermometer.
13. All recliners should be on a leash. If your recliner poops, you must clean up after it. Poopbags are available in the Just for Fun section of the forum.
14. You can save face by offering everyone a pretzel dipping sauce or showing off your favorite Norman Fell t-shirt.
15. Be more like cornmeal. 
16. If your argument comes in a paperback version, please share it with either teeth, walnuts, or photocopier paper.
17. Cereal maps and directions to a functioning toilet are always welcome.
18. Only share your bellybutton lint if it has been immunized.
19. Use your front mouth for talking, your side mouths for producing snow, and your rear mouth for forwarding e-mails.
20. No melching in the belchbox, please.
21. If you have a free wall, please give it to Richard Sanders.

Thank you for your cooperation. 

OK, I'm going to ask, no offence intended, but why do you spend your time thinking up and typing in this stuff (or is it AI-generated)?

No offense taken. I have a weird sense of humor and get a kick out of inserting gibberish into what are otherwise serious or semi-serious threads. This mostly started when I took a stab at writing my own lyrics and poetry when I was a teenager and has some of its influences from I Am the Walrus and Jon Anderson's stuff. The lyrics eventually were put to music in my own music project which I think I've posted about elsewhere. So, it pre-dates AI and PA. Otherwise, I blame it on Man With Hat.
 
It reminds me of Monty Python's "Dirty Hungarian Phrasebook" sketch:
 
 
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^ Well, this thread is about how I think one should discuss. I'm not telling anyone what to do.
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2. Do not tell others what to say or do, or how to think.

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Originally posted by I prophesy disaster I prophesy disaster wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ it’s not always the intention to take things out of context though, sometimes when you respond to a lengthy post you just don’t want to quote the whole thing.
 
I agree. Sometimes, a reply is to a small section of a larger post. Editing the post being replied to makes it clear which specific part of the post is being replied to, as well as reducing the visual clutter on the page. It's only a problem if one is deliberately taking the section out of context for the purpose of attacking a point that was not intended to be made.

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Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

These are my guidelines:

1. Put an asparagus in your ear and listen for moonquakes.
2. Eggs are allowed in the discussion. Do not put your knees or kidneys in other people's eggs.
3. Using vitamins is unfair, but you are allowed to argue from inside a hamper.
4. Spreadsheets are welcome, as well as combovers.
5. Farting is permitted, but please give at least 30 seconds advanced notice so that we can prepare for your wrath.
6. No throwing poop, unless you have gloves on.
7. When an impasse occurs, both parties must go into a field and moo for an hour at each other.
8. Rubber duckies are allowed in the bathtub. So are colanders.
9. Bring your own archipelago. 
10. You are only allowed to post a Gish gallop if you use the word "mayonnaise" in it at least 15 times.
11. Postage is due if you roll marbles through a puddle of butter.
12. You are permitted to share soup recipes only after the first posting of the words Uranus, swimsuit, or thermometer.
13. All recliners should be on a leash. If your recliner poops, you must clean up after it. Poopbags are available in the Just for Fun section of the forum.
14. You can save face by offering everyone a pretzel dipping sauce or showing off your favorite Norman Fell t-shirt.
15. Be more like cornmeal. 
16. If your argument comes in a paperback version, please share it with either teeth, walnuts, or photocopier paper.
17. Cereal maps and directions to a functioning toilet are always welcome.
18. Only share your bellybutton lint if it has been immunized.
19. Use your front mouth for talking, your side mouths for producing snow, and your rear mouth for forwarding e-mails.
20. No melching in the belchbox, please.
21. If you have a free wall, please give it to Richard Sanders.

Thank you for your cooperation. 

OK, I'm going to ask, no offence intended, but why do you spend your time thinking up and typing in this stuff (or is it AI-generated)?

No offense taken. I have a weird sense of humor and get a kick out of inserting gibberish into what are otherwise serious or semi-serious threads. This mostly started when I took a stab at writing my own lyrics and poetry when I was a teenager and has some of its influences from I Am the Walrus and Jon Anderson's stuff. The lyrics eventually were put to music in my own music project which I think I've posted about elsewhere. So, it pre-dates AI and PA. Otherwise, I blame it on Man With Hat.
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Although not related to these political discussions which I avoid like the plague (I'm not interested in reading about the context for terrorist organisations that have the stated aim of genocide for instance) but really one thing that annoys me is when comments are taken out of context. Ie taking someone else's comments and then editing them. Hate that! That's my tuppence worth.

I can say, I only quote what I relate to in my answer and what I consider to be the main point, but I always think about whether I get all the context in my quotation. 
I also prefer much when others do it, instead of maybe quoting a large text and only relating to a little part of it.
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ it’s not always the intention to take things out of context though, sometimes when you respond to a lengthy post you just don’t want to quote the whole thing.
 
I agree. Sometimes, a reply is to a small section of a larger post. Editing the post being replied to makes it clear which specific part of the post is being replied to, as well as reducing the visual clutter on the page. It's only a problem if one is deliberately taking the section out of context for the purpose of attacking a point that was not intended to be made.
 
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Something else, I'd say there's in general all too little respect for the OPs, which is of course a problem in various ways.








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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ How so? Here's the opposite of my post, just to see what that looks like: 

1. Be rude, insult people.
1.1. Make fun of people.
2. Tell others what to do.
3. When you write a lengthy post, all other participants of the discussion must read it and respond by an equally lengthy post.
4. When you ask someone to elaborate on a point, they must do so. Failure to elaborate means that you win the argument.
4.1. If the "opponent" rejects the rules you define, you win instantly
5. Whatever is being discussed, go out of your way to take it personally.

There you go ... sound more reasonable to you? Smile

and yet, these counterpropositions seems to be the way things go all too often on this forum.Ouch

I could certainly wish, I had been treated better, but it's fortunately mostly in the past.
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Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

These are my guidelines:

1. Put an asparagus in your ear and listen for moonquakes.
2. Eggs are allowed in the discussion. Do not put your knees or kidneys in other people's eggs.
3. Using vitamins is unfair, but you are allowed to argue from inside a hamper.
4. Spreadsheets are welcome, as well as combovers.
5. Farting is permitted, but please give at least 30 seconds advanced notice so that we can prepare for your wrath.
6. No throwing poop, unless you have gloves on.
7. When an impasse occurs, both parties must go into a field and moo for an hour at each other.
8. Rubber duckies are allowed in the bathtub. So are colanders.
9. Bring your own archipelago. 
10. You are only allowed to post a Gish gallop if you use the word "mayonnaise" in it at least 15 times.
11. Postage is due if you roll marbles through a puddle of butter.
12. You are permitted to share soup recipes only after the first posting of the words Uranus, swimsuit, or thermometer.
13. All recliners should be on a leash. If your recliner poops, you must clean up after it. Poopbags are available in the Just for Fun section of the forum.
14. You can save face by offering everyone a pretzel dipping sauce or showing off your favorite Norman Fell t-shirt.
15. Be more like cornmeal. 
16. If your argument comes in a paperback version, please share it with either teeth, walnuts, or photocopier paper.
17. Cereal maps and directions to a functioning toilet are always welcome.
18. Only share your bellybutton lint if it has been immunized.
19. Use your front mouth for talking, your side mouths for producing snow, and your rear mouth for forwarding e-mails.
20. No melching in the belchbox, please.
21. If you have a free wall, please give it to Richard Sanders.

Thank you for your cooperation. 

OK, I'm going to ask, no offence intended, but why do you spend your time thinking up and typing in this stuff (or is it AI-generated)?


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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Although not related to these political discussions which I avoid like the plague (I'm not interested in reading about the context for terrorist organisations that have the stated aim of genocide for instance) but really one thing that annoys me is when comments are taken out of context. Ie taking someone else's comments and then editing them. Hate that! That's my tuppence worth.

I can say, I only quote what I relate to in my answer and what I consider to be the main point, but I always think about whether I get all the context in my quotation. 
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Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

These are my guidelines:

1. Put an asparagus in your ear and listen for moonquakes.
2. Eggs are allowed in the discussion. Do not put your knees or kidneys in other people's eggs.
3. Using vitamins is unfair, but you are allowed to argue from inside a hamper.
4. Spreadsheets are welcome, as well as combovers.
5. Farting is permitted, but please give at least 30 seconds advanced notice so that we can prepare for your wrath.
6. No throwing poop, unless you have gloves on.
7. When an impasse occurs, both parties must go into a field and moo for an hour at each other.
8. Rubber duckies are allowed in the bathtub. So are colanders.
9. Bring your own archipelago. 
10. You are only allowed to post a Gish gallop if you use the word "mayonnaise" in it at least 15 times.
11. Postage is due if you roll marbles through a puddle of butter.
12. You are permitted to share soup recipes only after the first posting of the words Uranus, swimsuit, or thermometer.
13. All recliners should be on a leash. If your recliner poops, you must clean up after it. Poopbags are available in the Just for Fun section of the forum.
14. You can save face by offering everyone a pretzel dipping sauce or showing off your favorite Norman Fell t-shirt.
15. Be more like cornmeal. 
16. If your argument comes in a paperback version, please share it with either teeth, walnuts, or photocopier paper.
17. Cereal maps and directions to a functioning toilet are always welcome.
18. Only share your bellybutton lint if it has been immunized.
19. Use your front mouth for talking, your side mouths for producing snow, and your rear mouth for forwarding e-mails.
20. No melching in the belchbox, please.
21. If you have a free wall, please give it to Richard Sanders.

Thank you for your cooperation. 

OK, I'm going to ask, no offence intended, but why do you spend your time thinking up and typing in this stuff (or is it AI-generated)?
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

It seems like many of you are annoyed with me in these heated threads we have on political/societal issues. Some even said that I should not participate in these discussions. I thought a little bit about why/how these discussions go wrong. As a result I've come up with a few tips on how I think one should discuss sensitive topics in online forums. Feel free to comment!

1. Be polite. Do not insult people, no matter how strongly you disagree with them or how wrong or misleading you think their posts are. You may insult them back if they insult you first (and moderators choose to stay away), but of course not much good will come of that, since it escalates the bad behaviour. (I've often failed to resist the temptation)

1.1. Do not mock people or make fun of their arguments unless they indicate that they're not being serious about the topic either. You would not do that in real life discussions, would you?

2. Do not tell others what to say or do, or how to think. You can criticise them as much as you want, or say that you would do it differently, but you are you and they are them. Treat them as fellow human beings who are entitled to making their own decisions.

3. When you write a lengthy post, you do so at your own risk of it being ignored. Other users are under no obligation to a) read it or b) write a lengthy post themselves to address your points.

4. Similarily, when someone makes a particular point, you can ask them to elaborate, but they are under no obligation to do so. We are all here in our spare time, which may be scarce - so everybody is always free to choose how much time they would like to spend on a particular discussion. Of course you can always say that unless they provide more info, you won't accept their claim.

4.1. Do not declare yourself the "winner" of a discussion just because your "opponent" is not responding how you asked them to. The joke would be on you.

5. Whatever is being discussed, try not to take anything personally. If the topic is of a nature that is too close to you, so that you can't help getting angry or annoyed when you get confrontend with people thinking differently, it might be best to stay away from the topic altogether.
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ How so? Here's the opposite of my post, just to see what that looks like: 

1. Be rude, insult people.
1.1. Make fun of people.
2. Tell others what to do.
3. When you write a lengthy post, all other participants of the discussion must read it and respond by an equally lengthy post.
4. When you ask someone to elaborate on a point, they must do so. Failure to elaborate means that you win the argument.
4.1. If the "opponent" rejects the rules you define, you win instantly
5. Whatever is being discussed, go out of your way to take it personally.

There you go ... sound more reasonable to you? Smile




and yet, these counterpropositions seems to be the way things go all too often on this forum.Ouch



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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ it’s not always the intention to take things out of context though, sometimes when you respond to a lengthy post you just don’t want to quote the whole thing.


You're dang right! Sometimes I'm too lazy to read the whole post, but there's a statement near the beginning that catches my eye and I feel an urge to respond. xD Usually this doesn't lead to any misunderstandings or me taking something out of context. Well, sometimes however, it does. :P
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^ it’s not always the intention to take things out of context though, sometimes when you respond to a lengthy post you just don’t want to quote the whole thing.
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